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Its been brought up recently in the dbdrag section and we even have on of the street class euro guys claiming to like the idea.
I think this is a great idea and would actually have competitors burping real bass that you hear in most music as opposed to the loudest cars humming at 70hz.
Also this would really really level the playing field for other cars to compete against the pandas and crx's. This way you could have trunk cars competing, SUVs competing, hatches and extended cab trucks all battling it out for the world title. This alone IMO could bring dbdrag back to a competitive state providing 2010 finals werent held in Anchorage Alaska.
However, I think if there is a frequency cap implemented that there should be a single open street class without a cap so that the crx and panda guys dont get the shaft. We certainly cannot forget about the diehard crx and panda guys who have been putting hundreds of hours into their cars over the last several years playing by the rules to be the loudest. I think this class should be a single class with open gear. Unlimited woofers, unlimited amps, on a single non multicell 800 cubic inch batt.
This will work well because if you look at the top 3 panda scores.... loudest street A 159.5, 159.2, 159.1 loudest street B 161.0, 160.8, 160.4 loudest street C 161.4, 160.8. 160.6
I have no idea how pandas work...but id be willing to bet if you put an 800 cubic inch batt in the street A cars that they would be almost even with the street B cars. And if you took one of the batts out of the street C cars (since the pandas have both batts under the hood) that the score would drop down a bit to street B level. So it looks as tho the street A guys with single 12 setups on one amp are pretty much just as loud as the guys with 2 15s on 2 or 4 amps.
Im sure the same thing would go for rex's too. Look at team Thee Michael Hughes. 156.5 in street A...with an 800 cubic inch batt in sure that would put him at a 156.6 or so which was the winning street B score Yuli put up last year at finals. And Dales street C score of 157.5 would probably drop 0.5 or so Id imagine if he took one of the batts out. Quite an even playing field when you think about it.
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When we say the best car 2-3 db louder than others under 50 hz!what's happen?same situation of now!
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I know if i got the power im getting know in a explorer with my old set up at 49 hz ill be doing the # you see know in the usa ****y thing is my truck is gone to prove this point i think a power and wire limmit will do beter. lord know it takes power to make it.
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I posted this in the other section, then I saw this topic here.
quote: How about instead of a cap use the system from psyclone, a bonus point for every frequency under 80hz. Maybe based on 10hz instead of one, if you peak at 62hz you get a 1.8 point bonus. I should point out that I don't agree with either idea but this would be better than moving the cap down to 50 hz.
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Or how about expanding street stock and implementing whichever frequency cut system is used to those classes.
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quote:Originally posted by Powerfromthegodsfromitaly: When we say the best car 2-3 db louder than others under 50 hz!what's happen?same situation of now!
The playing field will be much more even though with so many more vehicles peaking in the 40-50 hz range. Im fairly certain if there was a 50 hz cap that there really wouldnt be one solid vehicle that was 2-3 db louder than the rest.
Some may say explorers/mountaineers would have the advantage but there are also some pretty damn loud trunk cars out there aswell as other hatches.
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In the big picture though you are alienating those who already own and have been competing with those vehicles over 50hz. Whenever you change a rule it has to work for everyone, not just the have-nots.
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Bring on the changes, stop the whining, adapt, compete. Maybe we will see more dual purpose(spl/bassrace) cars instead of just burp machines. Or require every class plays 30 seconds of music...no burps. Or all of the above.
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it works fine only make sure the rules are worked out better
and make sure judges are on the same side
take out street stock and change it to a 50 hz classe maybe split it in 3 classes
then every body is happy
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quote:Originally posted by Team Innovative Shaun: In the big picture though you are alienating those who already own and have been competing with those vehicles over 50hz. Whenever you change a rule it has to work for everyone, not just the have-nots.
They could always re tune to below 50hz. I think a panda or crx would still be pretty loud at 50hz but you would also start seeing a lot more suv's and other cars.
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so what ya have in mind for street and street pro
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quote:Originally posted by murilo@soundigital.com.br: The thing is, there is actually only 2 important thing on this matter:
1- nobody want to loose
2- everybody wants to win
The solution of that is having as many classes as possible, so the number of competitor will increase. Just look at other orgs...
Should have 3 streets, 3 streets pro, all SS, all current EXT classes, and keep that.
If the problem is trophies, make them out of 2x4s.
that s what we said
but do it like we have here in the benelux
you get only the certifcat so then the entry price go do and get more people to play the game
but don t change just add classes like we and murilo said
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quote:Originally posted by Old/School: so what ya have in mind for street and street pro
Street ABC: should have restrictions, frequency is an easy one to be implemented, although power (a very good limitation) would require some study (equipments and etc.).
Street PRO: (or whatever) should be our current street. Maybe you could take back seats out and build behind B plane.
no change s just the way it is(street classes 2009)
if you wanne build to b pilar just join street max
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Don't change the rules...Improve the correct rule implementation and clarify the so called "grey areas"
I suggest the implementation of a "check list" with build pics for every vehicle that attends 3X and WF shows....For example the use of build log with build pics adressing to mat thickness,enclosure position etc...Each time a modification occurs that may need the judges attention should be attached and updated.Each country's head judge should be responsible of inspecting and confidential record keeping each vehicle's build history... In case the car is found off the limits of its updated build log, then it should be inspected and judged according to rules or even better the judges should force the competitor to rebuild the car to its prior condition otherwise DQ it from the event...
We as competitors cannot accept different interpretations on the same subject...
How about that?
I know this proposal has been endoorsed by IASCA and EMMA so a similar rule can work in DBDrag too..
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quote:Originally posted by Wagonized: Its been brought up recently in the dbdrag section and we even have on of the street class euro guys claiming to like the idea.
I think this is a great idea and would actually have competitors burping real bass that you hear in most music as opposed to the loudest cars humming at 70hz.
Also this would really really level the playing field for other cars to compete against the pandas and crx's. This way you could have trunk cars competing, SUVs competing, hatches and extended cab trucks all battling it out for the world title. This alone IMO could bring dbdrag back to a competitive state providing 2010 finals werent held in Anchorage Alaska.
However, I think if there is a frequency cap implemented that there should be a single open street class without a cap so that the crx and panda guys dont get the shaft. We certainly cannot forget about the diehard crx and panda guys who have been putting hundreds of hours into their cars over the last several years playing by the rules to be the loudest. I think this class should be a single class with open gear. Unlimited woofers, unlimited amps, on a single non multicell 800 cubic inch batt.
This will work well because if you look at the top 3 panda scores.... loudest street A 159.5, 159.2, 159.1 loudest street B 161.0, 160.8, 160.4 loudest street C 161.4, 160.8. 160.6
I have no idea how pandas work...but id be willing to bet if you put an 800 cubic inch batt in the street A cars that they would be almost even with the street B cars. And if you took one of the batts out of the street C cars (since the pandas have both batts under the hood) that the score would drop down a bit to street B level. So it looks as tho the street A guys with single 12 setups on one amp are pretty much just as loud as the guys with 2 15s on 2 or 4 amps.
Im sure the same thing would go for rex's too. Look at team Thee Michael Hughes. 156.5 in street A...with an 800 cubic inch batt in sure that would put him at a 156.6 or so which was the winning street B score Yuli put up last year at finals. And Dales street C score of 157.5 would probably drop 0.5 or so Id imagine if he took one of the batts out. Quite an even playing field when you think about it.
Sorry, but you donīt have much experience! Street A will gain maybe 0,3! Street C will lose about -1,5
If you do that everybody needs a Street B setup to be competive! -> many people will quit
The only thing that will work ist to add real beginner classes and not this Street Stock shi...
Maybe the beginner classes need to play music from the dbDrag CD and every event a different title
And again: LIMIT THE AMPS!!
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thats wy we say add new classes with limit material
and let the streets like they are
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its too difficult without making 10more classes. To be competetive I'd stay with current rules I'd make as someone suggested Street A Street B Street C Street Max Super Street NW Super Street 1-2 Super Street 3+ Extreme 1-2 Extreme 3+
And add 50Hz classes as someone suggested street A 50 Street B 50 Street C 50 Or call it what you wish. Same rules as street but with 50Hz limit
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