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What if we had all classes....like we've always had...but had a 10kw + and 10kw and under? Or even 15kw and under?
I know people are going to start flaming and tell me that there is already a street max class, but think about all the people that this would let compete without breaking the bank for batteries and amps?
I don't think we should clamp amps or anything, simply go by manufacturers ratings, if there starts to be a known cheater amp, simply don't allow it in the class.
It would be like a "cheap super street"
If this was the case then I would build another SPL vehicle
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if you want more competitors then make street more like street stock so you can buy a 2000wrms amp and a pair of L5s and have the best gear in the class for less than the price of the wire in most street cars
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I really dont think that classes and rule changes have anything to do with the dwindling popularity of our sport.
Its the way its formatted. Everyone is talking about bringing in more competitors. -But really, shows should be formatted to bring in more spectators. make it a T.V. friendly sport like Monster Jam, or Drag Racing.
Thats how you make it grow, then if there was more main stream coverage and recognition, more competitors will come.
Actually, it will make it more t.V. friendly if there were fewer competitors, but each competitor and car and install was fun to watch and look at.
You cant keep adjusting classes and rules to cater to everyone and their momma, to make any average Joe be able to compete. Monster trucks and NASCAR teams are multi million dollar enterprises. They arent adding classes or changing rules just so anyone can go in there and race.
They have it formatted in a way that they can take just about 10 trucks or cars, and put on a great show that draws in 100,000 people, and millions on T.V.
dB Drag needs to copy those formats and re-invent itself for the new age, for mass media.
Of course, we can still have the smaller/local classes for anybody to have fun in too. Just like UFC and boxing where they will have a bunch of small fights before the pay-per view ever starts. then the big headliners come in for the show.
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quote:Originally posted by HHR_Ed_T3guy: I really dont think that classes and rule changes have anything to do with the dwindling popularity of our sport.
Its the way its formatted. Everyone is talking about bringing in more competitors. -But really, shows should be formatted to bring in more spectators. make it a T.V. friendly sport like Monster Jam, or Drag Racing.
Thats how you make it grow, then if there was more main stream coverage and recognition, more competitors will come.
Actually, it will make it more t.V. friendly if there were fewer competitors, but each competitor and car and install was fun to watch and look at.
You cant keep adjusting classes and rules to cater to everyone and their momma, to make any average Joe be able to compete. Monster trucks and NASCAR teams are multi million dollar enterprises. They arent adding classes or changing rules just so anyone can go in there and race.
They have it formatted in a way that they can take just about 10 trucks or cars, and put on a great show that draws in 100,000 people, and millions on T.V.
dB Drag needs to copy those formats and re-invent itself for the new age, for mass media.
Of course, we can still have the smaller/local classes for anybody to have fun in too. Just like UFC and boxing where they will have a bunch of small fights before the pay-per view ever starts. then the big headliners come in for the show.
quote:Originally posted by murilo@soundigital.com.br:
quote:Originally posted by HHR_Ed_T3guy: I really dont think that classes and rule changes have anything to do with the dwindling popularity of our sport.
Its the way its formatted. Everyone is talking about bringing in more competitors. -But really, shows should be formatted to bring in more spectators. make it a T.V. friendly sport like Monster Jam, or Drag Racing.
Thats how you make it grow, then if there was more main stream coverage and recognition, more competitors will come.
Actually, it will make it more t.V. friendly if there were fewer competitors, but each competitor and car and install was fun to watch and look at.
You cant keep adjusting classes and rules to cater to everyone and their momma, to make any average Joe be able to compete. Monster trucks and NASCAR teams are multi million dollar enterprises. They arent adding classes or changing rules just so anyone can go in there and race.
They have it formatted in a way that they can take just about 10 trucks or cars, and put on a great show that draws in 100,000 people, and millions on T.V.
dB Drag needs to copy those formats and re-invent itself for the new age, for mass media.
Of course, we can still have the smaller/local classes for anybody to have fun in too. Just like UFC and boxing where they will have a bunch of small fights before the pay-per view ever starts. then the big headliners come in for the show.
Perfect my friend...
And thats fine Ed, except for the fact that as it sits now NO ONE is competing?
No company is going to put any part of Db Drag on television the way it sits now, why would someone want to broadcast 10 cars that are all seperated by gigantic margins?
We need to focus more on getting people interested and competing again, and then worry about exposure and media revenue and the glory that comes from it
Back in 02 or 03 it would have been great for television, HUNDREDS of competitors, great looking cars and just tenths of a db being the deciding factors in the final rounds.
Back when you had to qualify high but still sandbag a little so you could get lane choice but still could turn it up in the last round.
What has changed between now and then?
The amount of power required to be competitive, and the termlab...I know people hate it when I say it but IMO the Termlab hurt Db Drag more then it helped....it DEFINITELY helped as far as testing at home and knowing exactly what you would do at a show, but it took some of the excitement out of finals for me.
When the average kid (guy) comes to a show and wants to check out the cars...and everyone has their vehicles covered up where no one can see inside, and all the vehicles look raggedy then who would want to be a part of this "sport"?
Also when we do have a 3x show and we talk friends into going, or get people from a car show to come check it out they see 3 real competitors there and just a couple of locals and they say "this is it? this is what you have thousands of dollars in your vehicle for?" And they don't even want to talk about building something to compete with
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quote:Originally posted by murilo@soundigital.com.br: Poor amps, is always their fault, hehe.
Don't forget the price to get the last neo subwoofers, and a panda or derivate...
More street stock alike classes but keep the ones we already have.
Maybe:
street classes: divided by a 5000W barrier SS clases: keep them, the classes are OK
and maybe the...
Extreme stock!
OEM windows, OEM locks on doors, 2 people seated on front seats.
lol Murillo its just that its become so expensive to build a super street vehicle that it really drives away all new comers.
When I tell someone that you need at least 8 5000 watt amps to be competitive in super street 1-2 and that those amps will cost somewhere between 1000-2000 dollars each they get scared. And lets face it, the cost of db drag is what is keeping big competitors away.
Along with the lack of full sponsorships I attribute the decline of competition to the price of equipment.
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quote:Originally posted by murilo@soundigital.com.br: Poor amps, is always their fault, hehe.
Don't forget the price to get the last neo subwoofers, and a panda or derivate...
More street stock alike classes but keep the ones we already have.
Maybe:
street classes: divided by a 5000W barrier SS clases: keep them, the classes are OK
and maybe the...
Extreme stock!
OEM windows, OEM locks on doors, 2 people seated on front seats.
lol Murillo its just that its become so expensive to build a super street vehicle that it really drives away all new comers.
When I tell someone that you need at least 8 5000 watt amps to be competitive in super street 1-2 and that those amps will cost somewhere between 1000-2000 dollars each they get scared. And lets face it, the cost of db drag is what is keeping big competitors away.
Along with the lack of full sponsorships I attribute the decline of competition to the price of equipment.
We might be passing through hard times, check street stock, cheap to compete but not that much competitors...
quote:Originally posted by murilo@soundigital.com.br:
quote:Originally posted by TeamSubGoPoof:
quote:Originally posted by murilo@soundigital.com.br: Poor amps, is always their fault, hehe.
Don't forget the price to get the last neo subwoofers, and a panda or derivate...
More street stock alike classes but keep the ones we already have.
Maybe:
street classes: divided by a 5000W barrier SS clases: keep them, the classes are OK
and maybe the...
Extreme stock!
OEM windows, OEM locks on doors, 2 people seated on front seats.
lol Murillo its just that its become so expensive to build a super street vehicle that it really drives away all new comers.
When I tell someone that you need at least 8 5000 watt amps to be competitive in super street 1-2 and that those amps will cost somewhere between 1000-2000 dollars each they get scared. And lets face it, the cost of db drag is what is keeping big competitors away.
Along with the lack of full sponsorships I attribute the decline of competition to the price of equipment.
We might be passing through hard times, check street stock, cheap to compete but not that much competitors...
Good point! And I don't really have an argument for that yet lol
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SPL competitions will never be a big spectator sport, both in person and on t.v. because, well, it's boring as hell to watch. If it wasn't for bassrace and loud vehicles that demo I'd wager that spectators would be a big fat ZERO. Nobody cares about seeing a crx fart out 60 hz.
Besides the fact that 99% of people out there don't understand how it works/don't care.
If you want spectators, make it a big car show/hydraulic competiton/bikini contest/etc. like usaci does. That's the only reason their finals has spectators.
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quote:Originally posted by tommyk90: SPL competitions will never be a big spectator sport, both in person and on t.v. because, well, it's boring as hell to watch. If it wasn't for bassrace and loud vehicles that demo I'd wager that spectators would be a big fat ZERO. Nobody cares about seeing a crx fart out 60 hz.
Besides the fact that 99% of people out there don't understand how it works/don't care.
If you want spectators, make it a big car show/hydraulic competiton/bikini contest/etc. like usaci does. That's the only reason their finals has spectators.
You weren't around back in the Nashville days Tommy.
I remember having to stand in a line of 200+ people just to pay to get into the convention center the first year we went. I knew a little about SPL from seeing Steve Cooks caravan but didn't really know what was going on.
I remember walking around and talking to a lot of different people...all were SUPER nice, handed me literature on the products they ran, and answered any questions I had, that is exactly what made me get into SPL, was being able to hang out with these awesome guys.
I also remember the 20+ demo vehicles that were scattered around the center, I remember having to fight for a place on the bleachers to watch the SPL runs, back in the day it was DEFINITELY spectator friendly.
But then again Db Drag also used to have a bikini contest every year and TONS of give aways.
At finals you used to get a punch card, you'd go to each manufacturers booth and they'd punch your punch card and you'd put it into a big lottery type rolling cage, I believe the punch cards were free for spectators too?
I think you paid to get in, got a "goody bag" and there was a punch card in there, this got people walking around and talking to every manufacturer which was good for everybody
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quote:Originally posted by tommyk90: SPL competitions will never be a big spectator sport, both in person and on t.v. because, well, it's boring as hell to watch. If it wasn't for bassrace and loud vehicles that demo I'd wager that spectators would be a big fat ZERO. Nobody cares about seeing a crx fart out 60 hz.
Besides the fact that 99% of people out there don't understand how it works/don't care.
If you want spectators, make it a big car show/hydraulic competiton/bikini contest/etc. like usaci does. That's the only reason their finals has spectators.
You weren't around back in the Nashville days Tommy.
I remember having to stand in a line of 200+ people just to pay to get into the convention center the first year we went. I knew a little about SPL from seeing Steve Cooks caravan but didn't really know what was going on.
I remember walking around and talking to a lot of different people...all were SUPER nice, handed me literature on the products they ran, and answered any questions I had, that is exactly what made me get into SPL, was being able to hang out with these awesome guys.
I also remember the 20+ demo vehicles that were scattered around the center, I remember having to fight for a place on the bleachers to watch the SPL runs, back in the day it was DEFINITELY spectator friendly.
But then again Db Drag also used to have a bikini contest every year and TONS of give aways.
At finals you used to get a punch card, you'd go to each manufacturers booth and they'd punch your punch card and you'd put it into a big lottery type rolling cage, I believe the punch cards were free for spectators too?
I think you paid to get in, got a "goody bag" and there was a punch card in there, this got people walking around and talking to every manufacturer which was good for everybody
Regardless of the spectators back then, the same can't and won't happen now.
In those days, the car audio business was booming. Great products made in america by american companies. Competitions were new to the car audio world and gathered huge interest.
Manufacturers back then depended on shows to advertise and sell products. They needed their equipment in show vehicles and competition vehicles so people could see their products in action.
Then one wrench gummed up the works: the internet.
Not only do people not even have to visit shops or manufacturer displays to get all the information and reviews they could ever ask for, now they don't even have to leave their house to purchase said products.
Why would a company want to drop $10,000 on a booth at a finals event to reach 1,000 people (people who most likely already know their products) when they can set up a website and reach 100,000?
Competition isn't what it used to be, and it never will be. That boat has sailed.
And even with the high spectator turnout back then, it still wouldn't be interesting t.v. to 99% of the people who watch t.v. Do you think a production company would sink tens of thousands of dollars into a world finals venue to have it be watched by what, maybe a couple thousand people?
Db drag is boring, and seeing a vehicle in person is a hell of a lot better than watching it on tv. Hell, the only reason i think drag racing is on television is because of the massively large sponsors they have. I'd be interested in seeing how large the viewing audience is for an NHRA event.
Something has to change drastically for things to go back to the way they were, and I don't think it will ever happen.
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quote:Originally posted by tommyk90: SPL competitions will never be a big spectator sport, both in person and on t.v. because, well, it's boring as hell to watch. If it wasn't for bassrace and loud vehicles that demo I'd wager that spectators would be a big fat ZERO. Nobody cares about seeing a crx fart out 60 hz.
Besides the fact that 99% of people out there don't understand how it works/don't care.
If you want spectators, make it a big car show/hydraulic competiton/bikini contest/etc. like usaci does. That's the only reason their finals has spectators.
Thats why we need to reformat and re-invent the show. The competiton can remain the same. Just change how we present it, to make it more exciting and explain to the average person what is going on.
I stayed up for 2 weeks working on my car for last year's finals. Then drove 12 hours, then stayed up all night friday cleaning the car and partying. Then woke up early saturday to compete. Then I qualified with a 140.0 in Bass Race.
If that was all captured, it could turn into a good story to tell.
Like I said, we can add an "Overhaulin" dimension to it.
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Murilo, Extreme stock is an amazing idea, i know of lots of loud bassrace vehicles that need to compete against extreme vehicles 10-15db louder because they have modded infront of the b pillar.
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quote:Originally posted by .: Murilo, Extreme stock is an amazing idea, i know of lots of loud bassrace vehicles that need to compete against extreme vehicles 10-15db louder because they have modded infront of the b pillar.
Yes, this is actually a dB dons idea, but since I stole it from him the idea is mine now...
It would be good for all mod bassracers to burp...
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I really miss the days when you could throw in two 12" shocker2s and a MMATS D300HC into a minivan and be with the loudest in the world...ahh simpler times. Back then I used to drive 8 hours each way to Ohio to test my system and now I can't even be bothered to go out to my own barn lol. I honestly think the crippling of minivans was a huge turning point in the loss of competitiors from dbdrag...the more variety of installs there are the better because noone wants to see 5 CRXs lined up with basically the same gear and box play their stereos for like 2 seconds to determine which one gets another trophy that they aren't happy to even get since it just gets thrown on the pile. Too bad you can't figure out some type of handicap system where gear type and car type and amp size is all worth a certain number of points so you add the points to determine what class you are in...
trunk car 1 point hatchback 2 points suv 3 points crx 4 points panda 5 points
1-1000wrms 1 point 1001-2000wrms 2 points 2001-3000wrms 3 points and so on
1 10 1 point 2 10s or 1 12 2 points and so on
so a CRX with 1 10" woofer and 1000wrms would compete with a trunk car with 2 10s and 3000wrms now THAT would spur on alot of diversity in installs in the classes
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I think if you bring back the BIG cash prizes. People will return. Way back in 1998 I was at a show outside harrisburgh Pa. It was called brynmar and wee bee audio. The cash prize was $5000. there were about 150 cars. If you bring the money back you will see there will be a big return in competitors
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Dont forget finals used to have a cash prize for 1st 2nd and 3rd in every class. They gave out motorcycles and cars other years. You need to bring big prizes back too!
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the money would bring some and being on tv would bring a couple, i have a question, how much does it cost to have a show be a db drag show? i still believe it's the lack of shows and only the lack of shows killing this sport, when I started to compete i went to local shows, some small db drags held by local shops and as i got more into it, then i started to travel. if we can't get the locals addicted to it and then make them want to travel it will never grow. Audio companies have reps, or they use to, that go around to shops pushing thier product, maybe we need db drag reps to go shop to shop and try to get them into shows, maybe start a db drag magazine again, even if only online, a db drag youtube thing too, look at the following and website of Steve Meade, that's what we need.
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