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by rule states that u can make custom panels aslong as they r not thicker than the original ones. ive also been told i cannot paint factor panels if the texture is removed. can some one tell me how to leave the texture in cause if you just scuff with a scotch brite and the base and clear u can see the texture but cant feel the texture i am tryn to make a car look really good for finals and dont want my car dqed. im wanting to make some panels like mike had in his crx back in the day i think they are still in anas car now. im sure im waisting my time posting this. so im going to bring the rule book with me to finals. im going to build 100% by the rule book thanks
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like rules:3-8 [quote]If a competitor is replacing the door panel on a vehicle, it would be acceptable for the replacement to be made of 1/8-inch (3.175 mm) thick fiber board covered with upholstery material, since the structural rigidity, cosmetics, and size of the replacement panel are similar to those of the original panel. On the other hand, a replacement panel made from 1-inch (2.54 cm) thick MDF would not be permissible because the structural rigidity of the replacement panel is different from that of the original. Please note that in this example it is not the thickness of the replacing material that dictates what is or is not acceptable. Rather, it is the similarity of the structural rigidity that was used as the metric.[/quote)
You can paint them if the strucural rigidity is still the same. In this case i would spraypaint them.
What car? Maybe we will see us at finals
Regards Mike
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Last Wf i had the panels paunt and the head judgs heve tell me who i need to cover the panel with sky!
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quote:Originally posted by dB Drag Feldjaeger: you can make custom panels.
like rules:3-8 [quote]If a competitor is replacing the door panel on a vehicle, it would be acceptable for the replacement to be made of 1/8-inch (3.175 mm) thick fiber board covered with upholstery material, since the structural rigidity, cosmetics, and size of the replacement panel are similar to those of the original panel. On the other hand, a replacement panel made from 1-inch (2.54 cm) thick MDF would not be permissible because the structural rigidity of the replacement panel is different from that of the original. Please note that in this example it is not the thickness of the replacing material that dictates what is or is not acceptable. Rather, it is the similarity of the structural rigidity that was used as the metric.[/quote)
You can paint them if the strucural rigidity is still the same. In this case i would spraypaint them.
What car? Maybe we will see us at finals
Regards Mike
thanks for the reply
as for spraypaint i cant do people who know me know i make stuff look good! and i plan on having one of the best look spl cars at finals! inside and out. but can i paint with real paint if they are thinner that 1/8 inch fiber board and if this is the case i did know i could use 1/8 in fiberboard covered in vinal maybe ill go that rount would leather or suede? i just want a really good looking car and i dont run bassrace maybe next year with my 1965 impala im building thanks and this car will be at finals in tulsa if your there check it out if not i can email u pics of the build if you like.
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I would provide 3 examples. I believe it was alfaro's crx, with the complete fiberglass hatch area, Ana's crx with the fiberglass back panel, and Cook's complete tweed front cabin in SS.
All of these are rebuilt and/or refinished and all of these have a different texture than original, either smoother of rougher in Cook's case. All of these vehicles passed inspection and competed at finals. So I would have to say based on these examples as long as you don't change the thickness and strength, the texture or finish should not matter, otherwise these vehicles should have had to be dq'd.
Judges verdict?
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quote:Originally posted by BoomKing: So I would have to say based on these examples as long as you don't change the thickness and strength, the texture or finish should not matter,
correct
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quote:Originally posted by Powerfromthegodsfromitaly: Last Wf i had the panels paunt and the head judgs heve tell me who i need to cover the panel with sky!
Hi Alex...
Please explain, i dont understand what you mean..
Thx Mike
ps. i was head judge in italy
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quote:Originally posted by GameOverStreetA: s and this car will be at finals in tulsa if your there check it out if not i can email u pics of the build if you like. [/QB]
ok, send some pics of before and after...
Mike
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quote:Originally posted by GameOverStreetA: s and this car will be at finals in tulsa if your there check it out if not i can email u pics of the build if you like. [/QB]
ok, send some pics of before and after...
Mike
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"Please note that in this example it is not the thickness of the replacing material that dictates what is or is not acceptable. Rather, it is the similarity of the structural rigidity that was used as the"
The thickness is not the point...
...the similarity of the structural rigidity is the point.
quote:Originally posted by Powerfromthegodsfromitaly: Last Wf i had the panels paunt and the head judgs heve tell me who i need to cover the panel with sky!
Hi Alex...
Please explain, i dont understand what you mean..
Thx Mike
ps. i was head judge in italy
Alex means, that no painted panels are allowed in Pandas. You have to cover them with leather, or something else..... That is a statement from european judges.
So, if i hear now, some guys start with painted fiberglass panels in US i want to know: Why is this not allowed in europe?????
...or could i use such a panel?
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In the U.S. we allow the fiberglass panels like the one pictured above if they are built for audio purposes like the one pictured is. You cant just make a perfectly flat fiberglass door panel with no speakers. We make sure that they are audio orientated and if they are we allow them
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quote:Originally posted by Powerfromthegodsfromitaly: Last Wf i had the panels paunt and the head judgs heve tell me who i need to cover the panel with sky!
Hi Alex...
Please explain, i dont understand what you mean..
Thx Mike
ps. i was head judge in italy
Alex means, that no painted panels are allowed in Pandas. You have to cover them with leather, or something else..... That is a statement from european judges.
So, if i hear now, some guys start with painted fiberglass panels in US i want to know: Why is this not allowed in europe?????
...or could i use such a panel?
This panel is questionable, it is clearly thicker and stronger than a stock panel. That breaks the rule imo.
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quote:Originally posted by Powerfromthegodsfromitaly: Last Wf i had the panels paunt and the head judgs heve tell me who i need to cover the panel with sky!
Hi Alex...
Please explain, i dont understand what you mean..
Thx Mike
ps. i was head judge in italy
Alex means, that no painted panels are allowed in Pandas. You have to cover them with leather, or something else..... That is a statement from european judges.
So, if i hear now, some guys start with painted fiberglass panels in US i want to know: Why is this not allowed in europe?????
...or could i use such a panel?
This panel is questionable, it is clearly thicker and stronger than a stock panel. That breaks the rule imo.
there are alot of vehicles that run superstreet that use very similar door panels and they were all deemed ok at finals last year and the year before
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quote:Originally posted by Powerfromthegodsfromitaly: Last Wf i had the panels paunt and the head judgs heve tell me who i need to cover the panel with sky!
Hi Alex...
Please explain, i dont understand what you mean..
Thx Mike
ps. i was head judge in italy
Alex means, that no painted panels are allowed in Pandas. You have to cover them with leather, or something else..... That is a statement from european judges.
So, if i hear now, some guys start with painted fiberglass panels in US i want to know: Why is this not allowed in europe?????
...or could i use such a panel?
You are corect, painted panels is not OEM equivelant to the original, original panels has upholstery so the replacement MUST have !!!
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[/qb][/QUOTE]You are corect, painted panels is not OEM equivelant to the original, original panels has upholstery so the replacement MUST have !!! [/QB][/QUOTE]
You might need to show us in the rules where it says you can't have a painted panel. There are some very loud vehicles that have competed at finals with them.
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quote:Originally posted by BoomKing: You are corect, painted panels is not OEM equivelant to the original, original panels has upholstery so the replacement MUST have !!!
You might need to show us in the rules where it says you can't have a painted panel. There are some very loud vehicles that have competed at finals with them.
quote: * For clarification purposes, the dBDRA uses the term "modification" to describe changes to the vehicle that have been made in order to accommodate the sound system or to improve the competitor's score.
Some examples of passenger compartment modifications include:
o Replacing the OEM glass o Replacing the OEM dashboard o Replacing the OEM seats o Reinforcing the door panels o Floor build-ups and roof build-downs o Removing or replacing the OEM center console
A Special Note on Equivalent Replacements:
* There are several areas in the rulebook where the term "equivalent replacement" is used. The dBDRA considers an equivalent replacement to be a replacement that closely resembles the OEM product it replaces in both form and function. This includes structural rigidity, cosmetics, and size.
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A Special Note on the Installation of Speakers other than Woofers:
Speakers that are less than 10 inches in maximum diameter may be installed anywhere in the vehicle, provided their installation does not violate any other existing rule. It is permissible to strengthen door panels at the location where speakers are installed in the doors. Door pods are also permissible, as are custom fiberglass "build-outs" or other modifications that are made in order to accommodate speakers in the installation location.
If you can make custom fiberglass build-out you decide if you want to paint, cover, etc.
* There are several areas in the rulebook where the term "equivalent replacement" is used. The dBDRA considers an equivalent replacement to be a replacement that closely resembles the OEM product it replaces in both form and function. [b]This includes structural rigidity, cosmetics, and size.
In this case is a custom box for the speakers on the doors, is not an panel replacement.
quote:Originally posted by murilo@soundigital.com.br: A Special Note on the Installation of Speakers other than Woofers:
Speakers that are less than 10 inches in maximum diameter may be installed anywhere in the vehicle, provided their installation does not violate any other existing rule. It is permissible to strengthen door panels at the location where speakers are installed in the doors. Door pods are also permissible, as are custom fiberglass "build-outs" or other modifications that are made in order to accommodate speakers in the installation location.
If you can make custom fiberglass build-out you decide if you want to paint, cover, etc.
That door is absolutely legal. And nice!
Thank you for posting this Murilo... by the way the pic is of Bob Perillo's van if you were wondering Murilo.... I cant believe that there are judges that dont know the rules.... Its amazing everytime that a question like this arises that several judges post and you get mixed answers from them. The answer to the question was spelled out word for word in the rule book yet the judges didnt have the correct answer, cmon guys step it up!
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