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So if a guy had a 2 channel amp running he now gets booted ?
Wouldn't this also make a LOT of other amps unusable ?
What is the diffrence bewteen the maxximus and the Hifonics colossue or the Auto tek 4000.1 they are also dual mono blocks...or stereo 2 channels. They all take only 2 conductors to run bridged.
quote:Originally posted by TRELO LUDE: however in the rules all that is stated is
-1 physical amplifier in Street A
it makes no mention of mono block or anything else. it simply says 1 physical amplifier.
Now look at the rules for B.
1 mono block or two externally strapped amps.
Externally strapped.
Outside.
You are allowed externally strapped amps in B but not A because it doesnt say you can use them.
I know, this just means someone will strap them internally but it means the Maxximus is illegal in Street A.
End of, job done, finito.
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I know about section 2.5 however the Maxximus was not created as to circumvent the Rules in Street A...come on..
regardless the rule states 1 Physical amplifier.. plain and simple..thats it..
I beleive the powers that be are getting a kick out of this..that must be the only reason Not a SINGLE ONE has even come in and given some information and clarification.
I think they like to see members and users beat on eachother like we are..but the fact still remains that it's within the rules as stated by Wayne himself.
So I ask once again..can we get an OFFICIAL answer and ruling on whether or not the Maxximus is Legal or Not Legal for Street A.
thank you
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I do not understand the issue, for years now...if the amplifier has two boards inside the same heat sink, is two amps. For example if each board has its own power supply its two amps. Done...instead of keyboard commandoing call Ray Choy - TRELO LUDE. He sets the bar for everything. And he is fair. I do agree that their has to be a ruling, but what is the intend of this "revisited" class. It is two make it affordable to an entry consumer. Also by limiting the battery size, I would be surprised if any amp can produce 4000 watts with a 650 battery size. Its going to be tough. I'm a triple point judge, and this is how I see it. I will try and give you the exact ruling from the rule book, I have to locate it.
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Under the section called definitions - "bridged" by reading this definition amplifiers with two boards is deemed to be internally bridged. By this definition in the rule book, it is not allowed in street "a". This is how I see it.
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well you should take a closer look at the rules for 2008 my friend... nowhere does it say anything about internally bridged, dual mono or anything of the sort for STREET A..all it says is simply
1 PHYSICAL AMPLIFIER...thats all
I know Ray and he is a good guy..as for keyboard commandoing I think you should take a look at my posts if you're implying that of me..
And for the record he doesn't set the bar..nor does any single judge..it's Wayne who sets it.. so get your facts straight.
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whats the purpose in quoting this particular definition? LOL
I beleive that not only myself but many people already know it. maybe you missed the part where I said.
STREET A
-1 PHYSICAL AMPLIFIER
nowhere does it speak about bridged, mono block or any other crap...jesus..I think I just got dejavu because I just had to repeat myself once more.. ready this clearly.. STREET A states that
ONE PHYSICAL AMPLIFIER CAN BE USED.
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Bring on the these two amps in one case. I don't see them being much stronger than a good single amp with the battery size limitation. And if they are stronger I can't see them being much more than a couple tenths gain.
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I just want to clarify that I'm not trying to be a pain here. I just want some clarification to be made on the existing rules that are out for Street A.
I'm not refering to any other class other than what is stated for Street A..thats it..
like Jeff said, they very well might not even be any louder..who knows..
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This amps was actually built to circuvent the rule.........a few years back when rules were similar to what they are now, when a pair of strapped amps first became allowed in Street A and B. Back then, however, it was designed to circumvent the ruling for Street B, allowing someone to basically run 4 amps.
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We have been using this type of amp for 8 years now which is longer then the rules which have questioned this type of amp.
The purpose of this type of amp is simply to make them shorter and not bypass any rules.
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quote:Originally posted by Tinted: This amps was actually built to circuvent the rule.........a few years back when rules were similar to what they are now, when a pair of strapped amps first became allowed in Street A and B. Back then, however, it was designed to circumvent the ruling for Street B, allowing someone to basically run 4 amps.
So you were actually there when they were building it?
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Number of pcb's has nothing to do with anything.
Almost every mono block amp will have more then one pcb. The main board (pcb #1) and the PWM or D-Class driver board (pcb #2) and very often the pre-amp board (pcb #3) and all this in nothing more then a 500 watt D-Class mono block amplifier.
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I think everyone has to admit that allowing 2 amps in one chassis opens yet another can of worms in the street class. Wayne has cited his what his goals for street class have always been and I don't think this falls into the intent for street A, which is a small batt, single amp class.
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quote:Originally posted by Team Maxxsonics - John: Number of pcb's has nothing to do with anything.
Almost every mono block amp will have more then one pcb. The main board (pcb #1) and the PWM or D-Class driver board (pcb #2) and very often the pre-amp board (pcb #3) and all this in nothing more then a 500 watt D-Class mono block amplifier.
Then double it and put it in one case and you get what we can see on the first page!
Whats next? -> someone put 4 amps in one case.... (If someone worked out to use 4 amps with 2 conductors, we will see this soon! )
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Whats next? -> someone put 4 amps in one case.... (If someone worked out to use 4 amps with 2 conductors, we will see this soon! )
he is right you guys! dont let this get so far like the multicell batts, make a ruling about these (double) amps now, before it gets out of hand! everybody knows these amps should be ILLEGAL!
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quote: he is right you guys! dont let this get so far like the multicell batts, make a ruling about these (double) amps now, before it gets out of hand! everybody knows these amps should be ILLEGAL!
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quote:Originally posted by Tinted: This amps was actually built to circuvent the rule.........a few years back when rules were similar to what they are now, when a pair of strapped amps first became allowed in Street A and B. Back then, however, it was designed to circumvent the ruling for Street B, allowing someone to basically run 4 amps.
So you were actually there when they were building it?
Yes.
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quote:Originally posted by Tinted: This amps was actually built to circuvent the rule.........a few years back when rules were similar to what they are now, when a pair of strapped amps first became allowed in Street A and B. Back then, however, it was designed to circumvent the ruling for Street B, allowing someone to basically run 4 amps.
So you were actually there when they were building it?
Yes.
didnt you know? He's everywhere, he's like the all seeing eye on the pyramid.
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To ME an amp that is leagal in street A is ONE heatsink (not 2 bolted together) and DOESN'T need extra linking wires between the 2 "channels" to make it a mono amp...
But that is my opinion...
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As much as we don't like it the amp is allowed and thats final. I just hate to see these kind of amps in dbdrag street class all together. It doesn't help new people coming into the sport. I just hope they flop on the smaller battery.
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quote:Originally posted by dtbrown: As much as we don't like it the amp is allowed and thats final. I just hate to see these kind of amps in dbdrag street class all together. It doesn't help new people coming into the sport. I just hope they flop on the smaller battery.
this amp will but i know quite a few that wont. im not worried about the maxximus being legal its the ones that isnt made yet. i guess we r going to just run with the rulls untill it isnt legal. that really sucks.
and dont get me wrong not hatn on the maxximus very nice amp i even had one two years ago. the normal consumer flips when they see it in a car.
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