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I have a very simple question. Can the Hifonics Maxximus be used in Street A. I have reviewed the rules and it falls within the them. Can someone clarify if it can be used. There has been much discussion on it. I'd like to have 100% certainty if it's eligible or not???
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The answer is no, therefore if one is allowed in A the rules have become a complete joke.
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wayne himself made those same comments. if it meets those requirements, its legal.
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I was figuring the same thing and even commented on that in previous posts. However if he can comment on it specifically being legal I think it would be a big help to many competitors that are looking to drop big money down to buy the amp.
It's not an inexpensive purchase and to be told after the fact it's not legal wouldn't be cool.
Why is it that Judges are not answering this simple question. It's not that hard of a question.
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hmmmm - seems nobody of the judges takes care about this question. I am wondering how they are judging at this time if they even can not do a statement concerning to that issue.
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I'm also wondering the same thing. is it that difficult for some judges to give an answer to this question.
how do they expect competitors to be able to make the right choices and compete within the rules when they cant event take a few minutes to post a reply to the question.
hello......can anyone shed some light on this please.
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Wayne has said many times he makes the rules but he doesnt enforce them.
Judges judge.
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I understand that..however it's a very simple question I believe.. and I think you can also see that..
a simple confirmation will suffice..
Can the Maxximus be used in Street A..yes or no? If yes then great..if no then why?
as far as the rules go it's within them however as we've seen there's a lot of "BS" going on all the time so it's better to get confirmation ahead of time..
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I completely agree, it needs to be ruled out of Street A now, or other amps of this vein will be built and used.
Stamp it out now or it will bite you in the butt later. Multicell batts anyone?
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this persoanly dosnt concern me, but it affects people on my team, and my whole theary behind it is.... say a company like US amps and there infanatly strapable amps, take 8 boards and place em all in one case, would you have the same opinion?
dont gte angry, this isnt to take a stab at anyone or anything, but just think about it. by allowing this amp you leave the door open for other companys to follow in suit, thus making the whole cutting amps in half rule useless.
BUT on the other hand
By dissallowing this amp, you screw with a company that is in full support of db drag that has been producing an amplifier for years before the whole halfing amps issue.
Really its a lose lose situation, either way someone is gonna be pissed off.
As per the rules, one amp = one heatsink and as long as it only uses 2 conductors from amp to subs its totally fine.
unless wayne changes the words, id say the amp is 100% legal, there isnt any other way to look at it, the way the rules are written, this amp fully complies, end of story.
(Im still interested to see what the final verdict is tho )
quote:Originally posted by NV-Marquis: By dissallowing this amp, you screw with a company that is in full support of db drag that has been producing an amplifier for years before the whole halfing amps issue.
sry but about 3 years ago multiple boards in one case were counted as NOT one amp. And btw. i don´t give a **** to any companies who thinks they can do money with dbdrag by producing special stuff
quote: Additional Guidelines for the Street Division:
Amplifiers used for non-subwoofer applications will not be counted. Amplifiers that are constructed in such a way as to circumvent the amp quantity limitation may be prohibited from use in this division or may count as multiple amplifiers. (Please see Section 14 for more information on amplification.)
quote: Question - How are amplifiers counted?
Answer - Judges will count all discrete physical amplifiers that are used for bass reproduction, regardless of size. If two or more amplifiers are bolted together (strapped, linked, etc.), then the judge will count the number of amps that are bolted together and place the competitor in the correct class based on this determination. Judges will not classify amplifiers based on their internal construction or pc board quantity.
A decision has to be made NOW and NOT been changed during the season,about the following amplifiers:
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Not to mention the one that started it all...the Zapco 4kw.
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quote:Originally posted by winslow: Not to mention the one that started it all...the Zapco 4kw.
You need 4 conductors to make use of the full potential of the Zapco, so no worries for street A and B.
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I believe the solution to the problem is to rephrase the rule by adding "one monoblock amplifier"
Same problem occured back in the days when street A was created...Some people were using crown amps and to solve the problem they allowed bridged monoblocks...
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But what about the 'great equalizer':IT TAKES POWER TO MAKE POWER- and with the smaller battery limit in Street A is it even an issue? Honestly with battery voltages hovering around 9.0-10v after burps in testing your better off with a single 3000 watt amp than one of those beasts.
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if this amp is going to be leagle. the new rules mean now you have to buy new batterys and amps. because we will all need double stacked amps for all classes. oh well like almost all people are saying it shouldnt be legal so why does it still have a shot at it?
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Wayne knew about these amps before the rules came out, I was very vocal on the matter and still the rules came out as they are...with this retarded loophole that was closed like 3 years ago. And of course to then make things even more murky they added the quote any amps that attempt to circumvent the amp rule will be not allowed...well thats a great way to make something really vague so noone knows what the hell it means. The best part is that no judges seem to ever visit the rules forum probobly because they don't know the rules well enough to put it in writing and prefer to make you drive a long way so they can DQ you with their powerful hand of god lol
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If they are "legal" people will buy them, others will moan and they will be banned next year which will feck even more people off.
Ban them now, before anymore people buy them.
Anyone with half a brain can see they are dual monos or two channels, not a mono amp.
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it makes no mention of mono block or anything else. it simply says 1 physical amplifier.
So why cant we get FINAL CLARIFICATION on this so that we can put this to rest.
This must be getting read by the powers that be, they must be seeing this and have to understand that not giving a clear answer is affecting competitors and not allowing them to move forward with their builds.
Is it too much to ask for an answer?????
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As many of you have requested, I am giving you my final ruling on the matter.
Such amplifiers were designed in the way to circumvent the rule. Thus, they are not legal for use in Street A.
Thank you, and have a great day.
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