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In the rules it staes no battery box's under "car" and no floor cutting. I'm guessing to make room for a taller box.
SO, what about cutting below the window line and above the floor.
Like wheel well's. Not enough to affect tire clearnce. Only to make room for a little deeper box.
What about the gas filler neck, where it hump's into the body/floor ?
NOW the questinable area. IF cutting is allowed anywhere.....how about the back of "B-pillar"(yea now I'm trying a gray area) NOT to alter the loaction or affect the string test in ANY way. ONLY because I have like 2inch's on both side near the floor that stick out, and prevent me for make a "Full Width" box.
I have seen PIC's of install's with fidergalss on the B-pillar, is it there to hide something OR just to fill a gap.
I'm not try to bend or break the rules....just make the most out of what I have to work with.
Could a 2x or 3x judge give me a idea on WHAT'S OK ?
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No cutting of metal is ok, unless its a cut-thru in a truck.
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" 6-9i A Special Note on the Super Street 1-2 No Wall Class:
The rules for the Super Street 1-2 No Wall Class are identical to all of the other classes in the Super Street division with the following exceptions...
Speaker walls are prohibited. Modifications behind the B-Pillars may not extend above the plane that is used to determine compliance with the "wall test". All auto sound equipment (with the exception of source units, video displays, and signal processors) must be located below the plane that is used to determine compliance with the "wall test". Floor cut-throughs are not permitted. Battery boxes located underneath the vehicle are prohibited "
Maybe they should update rules for this year if ALL metal cutting in NW class is permited. At least i had been understand that NW cars are like other SS cars. Only difference is floor cutting and battery boxes.
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No cutting of any metal that is the external skin.
Be it floor, wheel arch or side panel.
Internal cutting is allowed.
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Cutting your wheel wells in your astro I wouldn't advise since once it's cut you can see the outside world meaning it would be part of the "exterior skin"
The gas "hump" I would think would be ok it "move" a little. Technically it isnt the exterior of the vehicle.
The back side if the B-pillars im not so sure of I would think it would be ok but don't do it because I said so. lmao I mean your not touching the front of the B pillar where it really matters anyways but who knows?
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Real simple here folks. If what you cut allows you to see the outside world it's illegal.
Cutting wheel wells.....NO Cutting filler neck.....NO Smashing the shibby out of filler neck.....OK Cutting B-pillars......there is metal there that doesn't need to be....some can be cut and be legal.....but be carefull. I'de make sure there's nothing visible when you open the door.
Can of worms.......what if it was cut per 03 rules....say the filler neck was hacked out....then replaced with metal that was flush to the sides of the van....since a fuel cell was added. That metal IMO would be considered an oem patch.....or would it?
Want to be legal? Build the box as deep as you want and just 45 the rear corners where the fillerneck/wheel wells are.
B-pillars.....LOL....carefull grasshopper.
My van's legal and I have cut the living shibby out of many many things in there.....but then again 180 foot of square tube was also added.
It's not what you cut that makes you illegal. It's the WAY it's cut. Believe me there's plenty you can legally cut.
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So I can't cut the wheel well's...but if they some how got smashed in a couple of inch's hauling a load of "Scrap" then it's legal ????
As for the gas filler neck it's about 10 inch's behind the b-pillar, and is blocking a path for a good box.....but if it some how got bashed down hauling"Scrap" than that's legal....?
Other than what I outlined so far what else would there be to cut.....it's a carge van, and there's nothing in it.
So what happens at finals when someone has there box"formed" into the B-pillar with fiberglass"only to seal of course" and somebody contasts the install......what happens do them rip the fiber glass off and check ??
. Let's say I have a 19?? and it's a rusty POS. How do you go about "Fixing" the rust. Well the OE metal is gone, A patch panel"OE replacment part" would "ADD" extra streanth....due to there being "Over lap" bewteen the factor matel and the replacment panel.
Ok...now what do you use to "Body work the repair" to look OEM and to be paintable ? Well Bondo and fiber glass are both used....AND last time I check that was against the rules ???? RIGHT, cause it adds extra streanth.
Well if any of this make's sence than what about EVERY other class...say street. How many CRX's are "Rust Free" or have NEVER been wrecked. Wouldn't reapiring the out side of the body be adding streanth OR altering the OE skin for what ever reason ?
Let's say them the inside of my WHEEL WELL's are rusted out(any old Chevy or Ford in MI.) on the inside of the van....throwing MUD every where......Well how can this be fixed LEGALY in ANY class,SS is a given, but what about other class's.
NOW before anyone say's Oh you can't fix rust and be legal here.....think about how many OTHER car's might be affected.
This may be "Nit picky" but I want to know WHY every one has a diffrent thought on this subject. There has to be some sort of REAL way of telling what can and can't be done AND be realistic in the terms of RUST or Wrecks.
I'm NOT trying to push the rules just want to know what is legal(With good reason) and what can and can not be done...and WHY.
Any one know where to get a TRUE ruleing on this....
Your trying to make pressure, get the best sealed vehicle you can, rusty ones leak.
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Bang on them wheelwells all you want, The floor is like what 49 inches from wheel well to wheel well. Guess what happens when you move the wheelwell??? The floor doesn't stretch. Now you have a gap.
Save yourself some trouble and play by the rules till you catch up....then worry about how to grey area yourself to victory lane.
Or you could just cut everything out.....build your 3 foot deep box and then weld everything back in when you can't get it to even play into the 50hz range. Deep boxxes=low freq. This classes max box size is dictated by port area...
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Smaller box, higher note, need shed loads of power.
I know which I would choose
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Which doesnt bode too well when there are competitors out there that know more about classes than a certified judge.
A certain amount of efficiency is good but with lots of power available it can be a hindrance.
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quote:Originally posted by Mr Bump: Which doesnt bode too well when there are competitors out there that know more about classes than a certified judge.
A certain amount of efficiency is good but with lots of power available it can be a hindrance.
but technically he is right.
Who is to say whats legal and not?
A judge...not a competitor...
I thought it said in the rulebook "cutting is prohibited"
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