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Why not make them keep the OEM battery.....you know the kind ment to drive on the street.... OR just make them so you can't run any "high current" battery's. This would realy be the limiting factor, and I belive that's what is was ment to be. Why would you put a CI rule on a battery...maybe to keep "high current battery's" ,that at that time would not have fit, out of street. Funny, some one read around the rules and figured out if thay could make it small enough and sell them as "avabil" they could get there high power battery in street. I thought that a "OEM" battery was ment to be 12.6 volt's at rest....mabe a little more for a "Good" high end battery...like .1 or .2 higher.
Now since all car's came with differnt size(CCA) battery's why not set a standered like 800CCA. Any high end battery tester can check it and tell you what it can produce....not what it's rated at. There's no "Gray Area" and there wouldn't be any way to "fool" a load test. Rember a battery's CCA is what it is able to discharge while still mataining 1.1(might be 1.2) per cell. A "Auto" battery being 6 cell's. This would be a TRUE limiting factor that would be flat across the board.
Just my 2 cent's. Not like it matters.
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Pete I like your thinking on the batteries, but have you checked out the CCA on some of the "Specialty" Batteries being used. I believe the CS 9000 is like 150 CCA. That might not be exactly right but I know the CCA is ridiculously low for a "battery" of its size. Also remeber that CCA is measure at 0 degrees F and CA is at 32 degrees F.
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quote:Originally posted by 200plus: Pete I like your thinking on the batteries, but have you checked out the CCA on some of the "Specialty" Batteries being used. I believe the CS 9000 is like 150 CCA. That might not be exactly right but I know the CCA is ridiculously low for a "battery" of its size. Also remeber that CCA is measure at 0 degrees F and CA is at 32 degrees F.
Let me use my self as a exampel. I work in a Auto Repair. Joe blow bring's in his battery and what's ...A: is it any good B: how much power does it have.
That's a peice of cake. First let me say in AUTO's a battery that drop's below 9.6 volt's is considered no good.....and I think that what a lot of street guy's are droping to...like 10 volt's. So this would realy be kinda close.
Use a SnapOn D-Tac(battery,starter,alt anelizer)
1st Guess what size battery(it realy wont matter,just uses as a good or bad point selling point)
2nd It will load test the battery(is microprosser controled pulse width load that ramp's current draw) for 15 seconds, while recording voltage. This is to pull any surface charge oout of the battery. ------NOTE---if voltage is low or the "amp's" it's looking for art't there it will charge the battery to a 90% charge....once again computer controled.
3rd Gives 25 seconds for the battery to "recover"
4th Pulls a wave like load(high to low to high draw) for 20 seconds while recording volatge, at each change in load how the voltage reacts and how many amp's are present and how fast the current responds to the load change.
5th Let's battery recover for 5 seconds and records voltage. The unit has also been checking the restanice of the battery the whole time and who the restiance changes with voltage and amperage change's.
NOW the unit think's and spit's out...GOOD or BAD....but what we want is to know how many amp's the battery can REALY produce and what voltage it can produce the amp's at.
I could go on about the way it charges....let's just say when it's done the battery has a NICE surface charge that last for 2 day's.....and also is able to tell you how many amp's the battery is abale to produce.
This DOES work on the "high end" battery's I have been able to test....and find out what they can realy do comparid to a standered car battery.
I'm aware that this tester is costly but does prove that battery's can be "checked" and find out if they are on the up and up.
Now some one that build's high end battery's go ahead and flame me for my thought and tell me I'm wrong.....I don't care.
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Pete the next time you check a battery please check the voltage your charging at and up to. I know the Midtronics/ARBST tester at one of my jobs will charge a battery to well over 17 volts if you test on the CCA, CA or AH settings. Which is why we have to test Kinetik, Opitma, and other AGM batteries on a different setting that never gets above 16.9 volts so it won't cause damage to a customers battery. Like I said I like your thinking but the bateeries make up will change its amperage charateristics.
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quote:Originally posted by 200plus: Pete the next time you check a battery please check the voltage your charging at and up to. I know the Midtronics/ARBST tester at one of my jobs will charge a battery to well over 17 volts if you test on the CCA, CA or AH settings. Which is why we have to test Kinetik, Opitma, and other AGM batteries on a different setting that never gets above 16.9 volts so it won't cause damage to a customers battery. Like I said I like your thinking but the bateeries make up will change its amperage charateristics.
Normal chargeing will never break 15.5 volt's, as a safty feture. The charge show's current voltage AS well as current peak curent charge(how many amp's)The charge also isn't constant, the amprage will roll up and down, to avoid over chargeing OR over heating the battery. The charger per our tool dealer is safe to charge any lead/acid OR drycell. The charger is able to detect the diffrence by the internail restince of the battery. If you REALY want to get a surface charge try it on a 300amp boost, and yes I have clamped it. 300+ amp's at 16.2 volt's. Just to make sure it don't hurt the battery it gives a short pre charge to get the voltage up.
I have used the Bear tester, as well as a Arbst-40 and NONE of them compare to this snap on test as far as what it will do.
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quote:Originally posted by fred69: now we are changing the rules anymway, why not baned walls out of the street max classes also
street = daily car, and in a daily car, a normal person dont have a wall in his car i think
Gr.
I know plenty of people that daily drive vehicles with walls. As a matter of fact, one of the loudest street legal vehicles in the world is daily driven, and driven to shows.
So you guys drive your pandas with 40+ runs of wire and huge batts cramed under the hood daily?
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Panda...who seen a Panda....I didn't know that there were any Panda's driven on the street ?
If the rule's don't change I think SOMEONE should go drag a Old School car out of a 50 year old barn and and give the Panda a run for it's money. There are a lot of other ulgy car's out there with litttle to no dash to speak of.
The way I under stand thing's
Ulgy = LOUD
If something dosn't change in what...like 5 year's the SS guy's will be in high 70's and the street guy's what 60's....out of a singel 10 inch sub and just 1 battery. I think that would be the end of this sport as we know it. There is going to have to be a price cap OR something to make the street class a every day driver again.
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Obviously you don't know what you are talking about...Lots of Pandas/Marbellas are daily driven and of course driven to comps...
There are also a lot of well restored/competitive Pandas/Marbellas in the lanes.I don't say that they are great looking cars but there are lots of them certainly well maintained...
And what is wrong with street cars doing 160s with one sub and one battery? Or ss cars doing 170s? I think this is the greatness of dbdrag...
Tuning persistence and dedication.The rules apply to everyone.The implementation is up to the individual competitor...
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Well I have NEVER seen a street driven Panda. I'm sure I'm not missing much.
If street A is doing 60's than why even have local comp's. Want "Normal" street beater is capable of this.....so why would any local poeple bother trying. Seems the louder car's get the turn out get's smaller. I wonder why. How many times will the "Local" kids/people get there A$$ kicked be fore they say forget it.
What will the top street competiors do when there's no one left to run against. Sooner or later peopel with out LOADS of money will leave the sport as so many other competiors have done.
What is a victory with out any one to go against. At what point will shops stop haveing local show's because of lack of turn out.
Why not just let every one that want's to kill the sport just have one show a year to see who's the "BEST". OH then there would be no way to know how loud the other guy's are until it's over....but wait that's what the "sand bagers" do now....I'm not loud enough....till final's.
I see the end of this sport being "Fun" real soon if something dosn't change. After all it dosn't matter WHAT company make's the bigest amp's or badst battery....sooner or later there won't be enough people buy company X's product and then what happen's. The LOCAL competor is what keep's the sport alive with out them the Car Audio market is gone.....I don't think competor priceing is makeing the companys any money...but it does get there product out there and show what it does.
I think some Company's should chime in and tell us all how much gross profit there is on competors VS retail sales.
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quote:Originally posted by PeteS: What is a victory with out any one to go against.
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I wish there would be rules making dbdrag for more people attractive Currently there is no way for a non-sponsored-competitor even having a good efficiency of the box come close to the top guys
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I assure you that the current St A world champ and WR holder has paid everything that's in his car.Same thing goes for the StB WR holder and the Smax 3-4 World champ.They are not sponsored No one in Greece gets sponsorship actually.Some good prices maybe.But that's it.THERE IS NO PROFIT from this hobby.
We do it FOR FUN and reputation
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quote:Originally posted by thanosdbfan: We do it FOR FUN and reputation
Please don´t take it as offense. But what kind of reputation do u get if the world record list is even not getting updated
There are many people working on to do a WR one time in their life and to be on the WR-list so all other people can see who is the loudest on the world now. But what do u see ... take a look
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