And you cant stop them from competiting because that would be one less competitor.
We need another way, an introductory class. How about MS?
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quote:Originally posted by 200plus: As far as Street Class not being entry level, right now you are correct, but what was the intent of the class? Was the class made to be over run with veterans and not accessible to newbies?
So are you just mad because you don't wanna fork out the cash it takes to win?
quote:Originally posted by 200plus: As far as Street Class not being entry level, right now you are correct, but what was the intent of the class? Was the class made to be over run with veterans and not accessible to newbies?
So are you just mad because you don't wanna fork out the cash it takes to win?
To some people its not about wanting to fork out the cash but being able to fork it out. When I first started it was the main reason I got started competing. 2 basic 12" subs and 1 1500 watt amp and I was able to place in the top 3 most of the time at shows with a setup under a grand. jesus I think my setup was around $600!
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Wayne does care about Street Class, the problem is that it is very hard to come up with rules that satisfy everybody. You do one thing that helps rookies and vets get upset, or you do something that satisfies the vets and rookies cant compete against them and get discouraged. I have thought about this alot and I truly think limiting all street classes to one amp would help. To make it more fair (if this can be regulated) is to make a production limit. For example, companies would have to produce 100 or more of an amp each year to make it legal. Racing organizations do this all the time. So the really dedicated people spend the cash to get 1 huge amp, and other dedicated people build the best box possible, in my mind these are the people that deserve to win.
Its crazy that a Street C system can legally be the same as a SS 1-2 system and can be even larger than a Street Max 1-2 system.
Because of mono amps and larger dual mono amps, maybe you make it legal to have 2 mono amps or one dual mono amp in all street classes. Limit to one battery in the factory location and start a conductor rule on the power side as well. 4 pos conductors and 4 neg conductors.
It wouldnt be that hard for the judge to pop your hood and take a gander in the back at the amp when you pull up for your qualifying run.
If a somebody happens to have 4 amps, then they get bumped to street max, no big deal there.
These are just my ideas, maybe they wont work, others have good ideas too. Maybe we should get together for a dB Drag competitor meeting to discuss possible rule changes at the beginning of every season. Just like other orgs have done.
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i am late to this discussion, and i am not goinmg to read all of it, but I have a suggestion
I think EVERY division needs a class you can compete in without spending big bucks.....maybe a 1 amp Street,SS and EXT class. Street Max would be great, just less amps and ban those silly batteries, of allow competitors to relocate their batteries to the back so they dont have to buy 2k worth of wire to be competetive,,,,,,,no mattter what happens with the rules it seems that competetitors will eventually fine new creative, expensive ways to get louder, and there has never been anything done to combat this.
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quote:Originally posted by 200plus: Yes there will probably be some people that quit because they don't want to move up to go to finals
The 'move up' rule did not work. Remember the world champion EXP years ago that was simply sold to another person. (who, BTW, set a world record soon after)
High caliber street competitors will simply design and build a system for a rookie to compete with.
Either that or the car goes in thier girlfriends name making it un-enforcable.
Sounds like YOU need to either step up to the plate or step aside.
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quote:Originally posted by lmanosteel875: Its crazy that a Street C system can legally be the same as a SS 1-2 system and can be even larger than a Street Max 1-2 system.
Something I totally agree with.
Street C is virtually No Wall.
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quote:Originally posted by Mr Bump: Im answering your own question. We need another way, an introductory class. How about MS?
In Finland we had really good feed back from beginners at last season. We was offering MS "maxboom" to guys how was using normal cars with normal audio setups. Contestants was playing this special music track( http://www.teamkorhonen.com/~dbwarrior/maxboom/Maxboom1.wav ) and measuring was 30 seconds average. It was really popular and next year it will be more. We didn't have any problems even classes was divided by max RMS power at 14.4V. (at least there was any how was trying to use cheater amps what are under rated). In all Maxboom classes woofer count was unlimited. Only limitation was total power amount and count of batteries. This season there was under 2kw and more than 2kw classes. Next year more steps. Maybe under 1.5kw, under 3kw, under 7kw and unlimited. Under 2kw class record was 139,1db and over 2kw class record was 142,3. Both records was played with out pandas
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quote:Originally posted by 200plus: As far as Street Class not being entry level, right now you are correct, but what was the intent of the class? Was the class made to be over run with veterans and not accessible to newbies?
So are you just mad because you don't wanna fork out the cash it takes to win?
I did not start this post because I am mad about how much money it takes to compete. I started this post to give my idea of how to make street a entry level class or take it back to being entry level and get feedback from others with the same interests. If you want to continue to take shots at me, because you don't agree with my ideas, please pm them to me and keep it out of the thread.
Conclusive - I am stepping up to the plate. I am trying to fix the problem of not getting any new blood into the organization.
I would totally agree with Mini street classes if there were DBDRA approved rule either here on the website or in the rule book. Then I would have a place to put the kids that want to try it once.
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quote:Originally posted by shaven99ranger: So are you just mad because you don't wanna fork out the cash it takes to win?
No offense intended here Carlton, but responses like that are exactly why nobody ever gives a suggestion on how to fix things. They are too afraid to be shot down by someone thinking that they want the change because of personal reasons.
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quote:Originally posted by 200plus: Yes there will probably be some people that quit because they don't want to move up to go to finals
The 'move up' rule did not work. Remember the world champion EXP years ago that was simply sold to another person. (who, BTW, set a world record soon after)
High caliber street competitors will simply design and build a system for a rookie to compete with.
Either that or the car goes in thier girlfriends name making it un-enforcable.
Sounds like YOU need to either step up to the plate or step aside.
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You want to make thing better and less costly this is what you do. Do what they do in GT and other races like that, Penalize the cars that do the best. Fait Panda's, Seat Panda's / Marbellaare's are always on top and 2nd are the CRX's, how about in Street A and B we limit the Panda's and Marbellaare's to one amp because they tend to be 3+ db louder than anything we have here and limit the CRX's to 2 amps and all other's 4 amps and in Street C 2X that.
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its good the way it is, just leave it already.
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TEAM FEAR OF BASS Posts: 2973 | From: Toronto, On, Canada | Registered: Feb 2001
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Yes,why always pick on the biggest classes in dbdrag,
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I run "mini street" at all my events. 80% of the competitors are in these classes. They are cheap and affordable for any competitor. These competitors don't care about attending any finals. They are just competing for fun. ( anyone remember when that used to be? ) Wayne does have an allowance for competitors competing in the mini street division. They get 50% of their points IE 4 points for 1st place. These points can be applied to the WF qualifing points. They can still purchase a membership and enjoy the fun of competing and Getting LOUD. Wayne also allows the retailers to individually design those classes to benifit their particular need in their area.
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DB Steve if you could please email or pm me a general mini street layout I will try to push for it at our shows here in the upper midwest. then maybe we can get all the new little guys kinda on the same page.
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My imput from around my area is 90% of all people would be in street. Not one of them can break a 50...most barly a 40.....and for daily driveing why would you want/need any more.
Why not just make a few changes to the rules for street. Start by removeing the "Magic" car's....the Panda And the CRX.( You can hate me now) Wouldn't that be a good place to start cutting the high Spl in the street class's, I was told last year if you don't have a Crx your not going to go any where.
They thought they would limited the "Street" class by haveing 1 battery. All that lead to was REALY expensive batterys. Why not say it must have a warranty...say 3 year free replacment, now how many companys are going to still offer these big battery's. Or why not limit the number of CCA's in the street class. That's easy enough to test. The number of run's of wire are also getting out of hand.....how many hundred feet should a "street" car realy have ? Why not say 1 run of 0 gauge.....and a chassie ground.
Let them keep there HUGE amp's.....lets see 2 Setson's 7K's(just cause I have seen these in street class) try and run of 1 0 gauge, a chassie ground and a Wal-Mart Ever start battery say 900 CCA. I wonder how many seconds the amp would last ?
Why not make street class play music....even burp it. Just don't let them know whay there playing until the day of the show.....that will fix the one note wonder's. Make every one use the selected track......CDRs arn't that hard to make.
Give the street class back to the consumer....the one every thing is made for. HOWEVER if every one seem's so stuck on there high dollar class.....why not make them there own class. The CRX&Panda Class. There wouldn't be much diffrent seeing how that what most every one is useing.
Nothing is "Realy" going to fix any of this. People will find a "loop hole" and cheat any where they can. All you can hope for is just put all the "cheater's AND Vetts" in the same class and let them fight it out.....let the PUBLIC....the one's every thing is made for have street back.
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