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and what if people with a normal install will compete tell them that they need an official dbdrag fuse ?? do you realy think people come to a show and buy a fuse to compete in dbdrag ?? how would they install that at a show ?? or tell them to go to SS with a 12" sub in the back install don't think that is going to work
if you want to limit the costs go back to "normal batts" like the group 31 yellowtop or a nsb90 that is what normal people bring to a competition and not a multicell batt.
-------------------- POWER IS NOTHING WITHOUT CONTROL michel van wijk superstreet 1-2 no-wall 159.3 @ 66hz certified Posts: 709 | From: holland | Registered: Dec 2004
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hat will be always the problem to get normal people and real competitors together. But i donīt know any "normal people" using a DDz, CS9000 or Crankenstein. That are batteries specially "built" (or would i say put together) for dbdrag and have no market potential. If anybody knows at least 5 dealers in a country selling them i drink a beer with him together at chrismas party in bruchsal today
quote:Originally posted by Chmielewski: with fuses i think it would be a game to win. Like Bassrace...... if temperature, battery condition etc is different fuse may brake.
I still kepp on my idea to limit battery to a optima gp34 or something like this
With that battery, you could still use two really expensive amps. The idea is to find ways to reduce the costs of competing.
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I'm looking at what is being said and simply put there has to be a limiting factor imposed to ensure that the street classes don't get way out of hand.
With the new WRs being set near 160db, we have gone way past what could be considered a standard street vehicle.
Coming from New Zealand, where there has been a lack of car audio competitions over the years and myself spearheading the SQ side as well as playing with SPL, the main reason I'm pushing the fuse ruling is because it affects battery/amps/subs in restricting potential.
After travelling around for 3 years and seeing numerous types of installs, the most common thing I have seen is that people are not willing to drop a lot of money into an audio system because a) they don't have the money to be "competitive" b) its a security risk c) they simply don't understand d) they get wiped by the guy that dropped 5k into equipment and its sucks losing.
But if we impose a restricition, then a) costs of entry into the competition become lower (ie lower equipment costs to be competitive) b) more people can get involved and be competitive c) putting a fuse into the system is a very small cost compared to buying equipment to being competitive.
eg - atomic 5000D is retail over 3k here in NZ - like anyone wants to drop 3k into 1 piece of a system that plays one note..
Bassrace is great in that it does have db limited classes, but in the end, dbdrag does need something to reduce the costs it takes to compete and get more people into the competition format in order for it to maintain its level of interest.
Let the big boys with money play with big toys and big systems.. let everyone else have a more fun competition that takes more than money to win.
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quote:Originally posted by Chmielewski: with fuses i think it would be a game to win. Like Bassrace...... if temperature, battery condition etc is different fuse may brake.
I still kepp on my idea to limit battery to a optima gp34 or something like this
With that battery, you could still use two really expensive amps. The idea is to find ways to reduce the costs of competing.
yes, but its far less than whats a CS9000, DDz battery can provide. I doubt that u can get more than 700 amps out of an optima GP34. That amperage would be almost acceptable in my opinion.
The most problem is that with the current rules there is no end of escalation ladder. New batteries will be able to provide even 2 times more amperage than the current ones. New amps will provide more power ....
I also would agree if just normal 12 volt batteries (consist of 6 cells) would be legal. So u would not hinder normal people from competing in street classes cause a Optima GP31, Stinger SP1700, NSB90 are common used batteries.
quote:Originally posted by FlexD2: b) its a security risk
Thats also important for me My brother had a small frontal crash with our competition car about 1 year ago. Fortunately nothing happened. Here a pic where our battery was placed:
Even having a small crash the danger to get a short circuit is very high. Most cars here in europe have fixed the battery in a place like on the pic.
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The biggest problem you will run into with asking people to change equipment is they will never agree because they spent so much money. You can't expect them to have to go out and buy new batteries.
With a fuse limit, everyone can keep there equipment. The big expensive amps and batteries will no longer be an advantage. A new guy with a lesser battery and less expensive amps can afford to compete. Now of course he still has to have a tremendous amount of experience to build a good box and optimise his equipment and vehicle. This is wehere the best will rise to the top. Not just the guys with the most expensive equipment.
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Very true. I think fuse limit would be a the best and least expensive way to go.
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