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What would you people say about using wattage limits in Street Class??
STREET CLASSES
Street A: 2,000 watts max using only a maximum of two strappable amps and using only one battery.
Street B: 4,000 watts max using only a maximum of four strappable amps and using only one battery.
Street C: 8,000 watts max using only a maximum of eight strappable amps and using only one battery.
Street Class: 1. One battery max 800 cubic inches, in all classes SA, SB and SC. 2. Same amount and sizes for woofers for all classes, same as 2007 season.
STREET MAX CLASSES
Street Max 1-2: 8,000 watts max using only a maximum of four strappable amps and using only one battery.
Street Max 3-4: 16,000 watts max using only a maximum of eight strappable amps and using only two batteries.
Street Max Class: 1. One battery max with a maximum size of 800 cubic inches for Street Max 1-2 and two batteries max with a maximum of size of 800 cubic inches for Street Max 3-4. 2. Same amount and sizes for woofers for all classes, same as 2007 season.
-------------------- Michael A. Nauta 2000-2001 Street 3-4 2002-2004 Super Street 1-2 NW 2006-2008 Street A
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In my opinion, this would alleviate most of the problems of Street classes costing too much and would kinda limit Street and Street Max classes as far as numbers are concerned. And for the most part, it would be more about the design than the amount of power we can pour into our speakers.
-------------------- Michael A. Nauta 2000-2001 Street 3-4 2002-2004 Super Street 1-2 NW 2006-2008 Street A
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I agree about limiting wattage but it is still way too easy for manufacturers to cheat. Lets say we use the highest rated power from the manufacturer. This would work for basic over the counter amps because a manufacturer would not try to sell a 3000 watt amp and only say it is 2000 because it would cost way more then another manufacturers real 2000 watt amp.
Also, many amps are built strictly for competitors and would simply print 3000 watts on there 5000 watt amp. This would be way too easy.
think about the fuse limitations as maybe the best choice. My bet is that if any changes are made, it would absolutely have to be limit the fuse which actually does limit the power.
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ok, this is kinda like getting beat in boxing and saying that he trained too much.....
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Hifonics had an amp that was truly 2 x 25 watts that bridged out to 1 x 1250 watts at .125-Ohms.
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Like I said, any power rating, max or RMS by a manufacture on their literature. I am pretty sure that almost most manufacture will post an amplifiers wattage, hell even back in the day PG was one of the first in my opinion that had one of the first cheater amps, but even they posted the amps power at say .5 ohms, remember back in the day the amps were rated by their 4 ohm RMS rating, not their highest rated power at lower rated imp.
-------------------- Michael A. Nauta 2000-2001 Street 3-4 2002-2004 Super Street 1-2 NW 2006-2008 Street A
But if "we" really want something big change to happen this might be one solution. Of course it needs effort from lots of people but still it might be good way to do it. I think that nowadays 99% of manufacturers has giving right or too high output power rating.
Maybe some sanction for "cheater" manufacturer will prevent under rating. Lets say that if dbdrag found that max output has print 10% under real world power then this amplifier will handle like real power + 10%. And of course all WR's will nullified
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quote:Originally posted by Team Maxxsonics - John: I agree about limiting wattage but it is still way too easy for manufacturers to cheat. Lets say we use the highest rated power from the manufacturer. This would work for basic over the counter amps because a manufacturer would not try to sell a 3000 watt amp and only say it is 2000 because it would cost way more then another manufacturers real 2000 watt amp.
Also, many amps are built strictly for competitors and would simply print 3000 watts on there 5000 watt amp. This would be way too easy.
think about the fuse limitations as maybe the best choice. My bet is that if any changes are made, it would absolutely have to be limit the fuse which actually does limit the power.
Why couldn't we just measure power out of the amp? DMM and clamp meter method. Have each of the official DB Drag judges use the same brand and model clamp and DMM for testing. I would rather do this than mess with fuses.
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quote:Originally posted by Team Maxxsonics - John: I agree about limiting wattage but it is still way too easy for manufacturers to cheat. Lets say we use the highest rated power from the manufacturer. This would work for basic over the counter amps because a manufacturer would not try to sell a 3000 watt amp and only say it is 2000 because it would cost way more then another manufacturers real 2000 watt amp.
Also, many amps are built strictly for competitors and would simply print 3000 watts on there 5000 watt amp. This would be way too easy.
think about the fuse limitations as maybe the best choice. My bet is that if any changes are made, it would absolutely have to be limit the fuse which actually does limit the power.
wont work, because I can have 20amp printed on my 200 amp circuit breaker.
quote:Originally posted by Team Maxxsonics - John: I agree about limiting wattage but it is still way too easy for manufacturers to cheat. Lets say we use the highest rated power from the manufacturer. This would work for basic over the counter amps because a manufacturer would not try to sell a 3000 watt amp and only say it is 2000 because it would cost way more then another manufacturers real 2000 watt amp.
Also, many amps are built strictly for competitors and would simply print 3000 watts on there 5000 watt amp. This would be way too easy.
think about the fuse limitations as maybe the best choice. My bet is that if any changes are made, it would absolutely have to be limit the fuse which actually does limit the power.
wont work, because I can have 20amp printed on my 200 amp circuit breaker.
Use official fuses just like official CD's. The judge checks the fuse while he is connecting his volt meter.
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i remember me talking to a soundstream rep over the phone when this amp was being advertized it was a 100watts @ 4ohms amp that was able to put out somewhere around 600watts @ 2ohms and it was stable at 1ohm (but they dodnt warrantee it)and suppose to be able to do close to 700watts
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Isnt there an actual way of testing amps now? So companys cant put what ever they want on an amp. CEA2006 Ratings then make it a rule that the amplifiers used have to be from companys that use this. That way companys have to conform to the ratings.
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