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Maybe this is most stupid idea from me but if we already have list of certified damping materials why we don't have list for certified amps ? This certifing will say what is maximum output power at 12V or 14V or something like that.
And now you ask what for we need it
If we had that kind of list then it is possible to control some how what kind of costs car for street classes causes. If we decided that Street A cars can only used power from sets of amplifiers what total certified output power is less than 2k(or3k or 4k) then lots of high cost stuffs will be unnecessary. Like monster battery or 10rounds 1AVG cable or monster subwoofers.
Currently "winner setups" needs(Street A): - Monster battery(1500$) - Monster amps(2x1500$) - Monster subs(2X1500$) ---------------------------- Total 7500$ plus cables and rest of stuffs.
Maybe this list should look like: - Normal battery(200$) - 2k amplifier or 2pcs 1k amplifier(1200$) - normal subs(2X500$) -------------------------------------------- Total 2400$
So difference to original setup is huge. It costs only 1/3 to be competitive.
And if we remember that usually only younger guys are only interested for loud car stereos we see the problem that maybe most of them has to say:" I really like to compete but i don't afford it"
What was situation 4 years ago? Was winner setup so expensive or was it litlle bit cheaper ??
I know that "you have to pay if you want play" but still we must think how much is needed nowadays for being any competitive.
I really belive that if we want to make happen this kind of big change we can do it. And here i mean we == all of us. Judges, competitors and manufacturers.
quote:Originally posted by dbWarrior: Currently "winner setups" needs(Street A): - Monster battery(1500$) - Monster amps(2x1500$) - Monster subs(2X1500$) ---------------------------- Total 7500$ plus cables and rest of stuffs.
hmmm. i doubt that as competitor u can get a ddz for that price here in europe. That would be about 1100 Euros..... hmmm. Lets say about 2500 Dollars (1800 Euro).
But the most funny part at all will come soon. Everybody is waiting for "super"-batteries
btw. Mikko, i dont think thats a good idea to meassure all amps by their power. In germany there is a similar competition called dbcup. They already are working with that kind of limit. But of course there are also big problems. At what impendance do u meassure etc. as we know there are a few amps produces their power at very low impendance (like EXT2000). But if u still meassure at 1 Ohm u get no the whole truth about the power of this amp.
As I already mentioned.. limit the battery to an optima 3.2 or something else, then u limit EVERYTHING But sponsors etc donīt let this rule change happen So wait and amuse about the budheads
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I think you have a good idea there Mikko, but I am not sure that this will be in the 08 rule book. Cos alot of comp all ready have there 08 amps ready. For Wh to make a rule change like this now will make alot of comp unhappy. I am more than open for a amp limit for 09.
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quote:Originally posted by jmorri: When you are importing one.... it is not soo cheap:) But it is still another cost to throw on the pile.
But basically I agree that we need to make it more afforable.. spending 7-10k to be compeitive in the lowest class is insane... lol
Well, that's true. And I'm with you on that one! Feels sick spending a s**t load cash just to start a Street A build.
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We need to make it cheaper again, the idea of street classes is to allow people a cheaper alternative to being competitive. $10,000 for a street car is not the answer. I say we cut all the amps in half.
S A - 1 amp S B - 2 amps S C - 4 amps SM12 - 2 amps SM34 - 4 amps
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quote:Originally posted by Incriminator Audio: I totally agree Mikko!
We need to make it cheaper again, the idea of street classes is to allow people a cheaper alternative to being competitive. $10,000 for a street car is not the answer. I say we cut all the amps in half.
S A - 1 amp S B - 2 amps S C - 4 amps SM12 - 2 amps SM34 - 4 amps
C'mon Nick you know as well as I do that that statement you made is gonna have people buying 10-12kW amps soon enough. there's no end to it!
I know I would buy 4 12kW amps if I had too. I would much rather NOt though!
quote:Originally posted by Incriminator Audio: I totally agree Mikko!
We need to make it cheaper again, the idea of street classes is to allow people a cheaper alternative to being competitive. $10,000 for a street car is not the answer. I say we cut all the amps in half.
S A - 1 amp S B - 2 amps S C - 4 amps SM12 - 2 amps SM34 - 4 amps
Well, then everyone has to recone their subs and that aint free either..
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the amp limit would help for sure.... but like next year 1 amp... kicker warhorse is looking very good, but will be very $$.... so 2 9910Z's+ warhorse+ CS type battery, still expensive... I had to shoot ideas down.. but just pointing out some possible issues...
quote:Originally posted by Incriminator Audio: I totally agree Mikko!
We need to make it cheaper again, the idea of street classes is to allow people a cheaper alternative to being competitive. $10,000 for a street car is not the answer. I say we cut all the amps in half.
S A - 1 amp S B - 2 amps S C - 4 amps SM12 - 2 amps SM34 - 4 amps
Well, then everyone has to recone their subs and that aint free either..
But you will have some money spare from the amps youve just sold or not had to buy.
Ive been saying half the amp limits for the past few years but to be honest, I cant see it happening.
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quote:Originally posted by dBSteve: less amps = less battery less amps = cheaper subs less amps = cheaper period
only way i see this happening is if we go off retail value...which could work, just the company would have to sell to anyone for the MSRP that is listed.... So do limits and MSRP limits... that might work...
quote:Originally posted by dBSteve: I know the answer to everyone's question/problem with cost of the "entry level" division.
But, no one will listen so I'll just keep it to myself
I listen to u
But as long people saying things like "Competitors have already bought their big amps, big batts and would lose much money by a big change of rules" nothing happens
quote:Originally posted by dBSteve: less amps = less battery less amps = cheaper subs less amps = cheaper period
there is one problem. Next year we will see 10 - 12 KW board. One year later u may see 15 KW boards. And u get again this problem we have currently.
Maybe that problem gets reinforced if for example just one amp is allowed in SA. Try to get a 7 KW board cheap hmmm.... its very difficult to get them cheap. Try to get 3 x 2 KW amps. U get them very easy used and at a cheap price And if u wanna sell them again u donīt have real problem. But TRY to sell an 7 KW amp or a DDz-Sub. Have fun Its very difficult to sell it and almost impossible to sell it at a reasonable price.
When u wanna get problems solved. Solve them on its roots The root of all power is simply the battery
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I think that radical limiting solve nothing. in the same way will in the top contestant who are now. They have experience. I'm have done subcategory, though Street A rookie atd...
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novice make also extreme car and he can except so cannot win. Because older competitior have much amps, much battery atd... In Street class is limitation are passably. My opinion:-)
When u wanna get problems solved. Solve them on its roots The root of all power is simply the battery
Exactly my thoughts let them have fun trying to burp 4 20kw's off one standard G31!
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Mabye use msrp from the manufactors? a page on termpro that was pulled off there sites, to even out the playing field. something like that mikko? then every competior knows the budget.
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quote:Originally posted by Rip Rock: Mabye use msrp from the manufactors? a page on termpro that was pulled off there sites, to even out the playing field. something like that mikko? then every competior knows the budget.
I would realy love this to work, but...
Take in mind the BIG price differances between US and Europe.
Can somebody put the US prices under here? DD Z1a: 2490eur
DD 9510G: 980eur
An other thing, is a brand like SPL-Dynamics even sold in the US?
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