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"Competition vehicles and auto sound systems may NOT be altered during competition at the Finals or at ANY multi-point event. Only damaged equipment may be replaced and the equipment being replaced may only be replaced with an equivalent component. The determination as to whether a product is an equivalent component shall be at the sole discretion of the dBDRA.
Exception: At the World Finals, components may only be replaced with an identical (exact replacement - same brand and model) component. "
Am i right that if your woofer blows only way is recone it with hurry ? No opportunity to use another brand/model woofer for playing ??
And what about Saturday Regional elimination round, does it count like WF or like normal 3x(changing brand name/model would be ok)
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In the years past Mikko if you qualify with a certain woofer, you must continue to use the same woofer through the rest of the show, including the same coils. Of course a judge would have had to verify what coils you started with initially. As far as the repair of subs, just in the last 2 yrs? we have been able to recone subs offsite, but not in the facility.
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So if i blow my woofers at Saturday qualifications i can use another woofer brand later at regionals(Saturday) and even at Sunday morning at nationals. But at world finals round i have to use again those same woofers what i used first(qualifications). Am i assume right ??
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That is how the rules stand at the moment Mikko.
Unless the rules are changed, you would be quite legal doing as you have suggested.
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The regional is a multi-point event, so no, you may not change woofer brands. At any point, read the rule, it says, "Competition vehicles and auto sound systems may NOT be altered during competition at the Finals or at ANY multi-point event."
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quote:Originally posted by Broken Silence - Johnny: The regional is a multi-point event, so no, you may not change woofer brands. At any point, read the rule, it says, "Competition vehicles and auto sound systems may NOT be altered during competition at the Finals or at ANY multi-point event."
You should put the whole rule up here:
Competition vehicles and auto sound systems may NOT be altered during competition at the Finals or at ANY multi-point event. Only damaged equipment may be replaced and the equipment being replaced may only be replaced with an equivalent component. The determination as to whether a product is an equivalent component shall be at the sole discretion of the dBDRA. Exception:
At the World Finals, components may only be replaced with an identical (exact replacement - same brand and model) component. Additional Guidelines and Examples:
This rule does not apply to source units or signal processors. The period of time from which alterations are prohibited begins with the start of the event (registration) and ends with the awards ceremony at the conclusion of the event. You may replace a broken 400-Watt amplifier with another brand's 400-Watt amplifier. You may not replace a 400-Watt amp with a 1000-Watt amp. (The replacement amp's rated output power must be within +/- 20% of the original amp's rated output power.) You may adjust the tuning frequency of your enclosure by adjusting the enclosure's vent. You may not rebuild or replace the enclosure. You may not rebuild or modify your vehicle's interior.
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Then I guess its up to the judge as to what you can replace it with. But consider this. If you qualify for the event with Brand X, you must use that same woofer, or one just like it in the world finals round. With your interpretation, you would be able to change in the in-between rounds, but ultimately it is up to the judge at your location to decide if your swap is ok.
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Johnny, as the rule stands at the moment, Mikko will be 100% legal qualifying and blowing brand X woofers, running brand y woofers in the regionals and then brand x woofers again for the WF part of the event.
This is not interpretaion, this is how the rule reads.
Your interpretation is also fair but isnt as the rule reads.
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quote:Originally posted by Mr Bump: Johnny, as the rule stands at the moment, Mikko will be 100% legal qualifying and blowing brand X woofers, running brand y woofers in the regionals and then brand x woofers again for the WF part of the event.
This is not interpretaion, this is how the rule reads.
Your interpretation is also fair but isnt as the rule reads.
No, the way Johnny said it is the way it is...the way you are twisting it is incorrect! The rules were written for a reason and trying to manipulate the grey area to make it work for you is bogus! I certainly hope the judges where you go enforce the "intent" of the rule and don't let you slide on this...it simply isn't fair to the people in places where the judges do enforce the "intent" of the rules!
In order for multiple locations to work their needs to be consistancy and I know damn well this won't fly at all the usa locations!
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Mike, if it was one event I would agree with yourself and Johnny.
But as it is currently divided into different events, with only a few rounds being WF rounds, this rule cannot apply.
Im not trying to make the rules work for me, Im simpley translating the rules.
Mike, if you care to look, you will see that over the past 3 or 4 years I have complained that the rules are badly written and over complicated. If the rules were alot simpler, then confusion like this wouldnt take place.
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In the past 7 world finals I have attended, if you qualify with a DD 15" sub with dual 1 ohm coils you have to continue using the exact same brand of sub, with the exact same coils you started with.
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Scott, Mikko is planning to use his first choice subs in all rounds of the WF.
But in the rounds for regionals/nationals, if he has blown the subs, there is nothing stopping him using another equivalent sub from another manufacturer.
The rules clearly state this is an option.
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Like I said, ask the judge running your show what they will do. At all of the shows in the US, competitors will not be allowed to switch brands or impedances of woofers after the show starts. Being able to conserve your equipment is part of db drag.
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I totally agree with you Johnny, during the WF section.
But we will have competitors at these events who have not qualified for the WF section of the show so cannot be forced to adhere to the rules for the WF.
If competitor A hasnt got to adhere then neither has competitor B.
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quote:Originally posted by Mr Bump: I totally agree with you Johnny, during the WF section.
But we will have competitors at these events who have not qualified for the WF section of the show so cannot be forced to adhere to the rules for the WF.
If competitor A hasnt got to adhere then neither has competitor B.
Well, in the end I think all will have to adhere...unless I am understanding this all wrong your qualifying score for regionals and how you do at regionals is what will put you in the brackets for nationals and finals thus you can't qualify for finals seperately making them indeed the same show, same event and same rules apply as usual!
If qualifying for finals was a totally seperate event from regionals I could see you point of view but it isn't so I can't, period! To me it really does sound like you guys are looking for a way to exploit yet another grey area...further, wayne wouldn't have to make the rules so complicated if everyone stuck to the "intent" of the rules! they are getting so complicated due to jerks that think that if they can work their way aroud the rules that they aren't cheating!
bottom line, you have 3 choices and I really hope the judges back this up...
1.) conserve your equipment so it makes it through the whole show!
2.) purchase and bring with you spares to swap out!
3.) learn how to recone fast so you don't have to worry about it!
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quote:Originally posted by Mr Bump: I totally agree with you Johnny, during the WF section.
But we will have competitors at these events who have not qualified for the WF section of the show so cannot be forced to adhere to the rules for the WF.
If competitor A hasnt got to adhere then neither has competitor B.
rules are clear -
Competition vehicles and auto sound systems may NOT be altered during competition at the Finals or at ANY multi-point event. Only damaged equipment may be replaced and the equipment being replaced may only be replaced with an equivalent component. The determination as to whether a product is an equivalent component shall be at the sole discretion of the dBDRA.
Exception: At the World Finals, components may only be replaced with an identical (exact replacement - same brand and model) component.
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I have just one question to that topic. We all know that almost all street cars are not visible inside of it by any other competitor. So its easy to change the setup during the competition. Who controls that? Cause other competitors can not do that because they even can not take a look in other cars.
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