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don't think any panda has removed the tire mounting there isn't any so go and find something else to complain about
where is the wheeljack in a crx ? (don't know where it is original)
what about the original airbox in a crx ?? isn't it so that they put a powerfilter on it to put in a big batt.
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Quit your complaining. Never thought I would see the loudest bunch of street competitors in the world complaing about a bunch of not loud americans???
I don't buy for a second that you guys take out things, adjust things, and flat out remove things to make your installation possible. There is NO WAY you put a Cactus, DD, or any other large battery in a Panda's stock battery location.
quote:Originally posted by shaven99ranger: There is NO WAY you put a Cactus, DD, or any other large battery in a Panda's stock battery location.
6-7i The primary battery must be located in the same general area as the OEM battery location. (For example, if the OEM battery location is under the hood, the primary battery must be located under the hood as well. Aftermarket battery trays and/or custom fabricated battery brackets may be installed provided no other applicable rules are violated.)
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quote:Originally posted by shaven99ranger: There is NO WAY you put a Cactus, DD, or any other large battery in a Panda's stock battery location.
6-7i The primary battery must be located in the same general area as the OEM battery location. (For example, if the OEM battery location is under the hood, the primary battery must be located under the hood as well. Aftermarket battery trays and/or custom fabricated battery brackets may be installed provided no other applicable rules are violated.)
quote:Originally posted by 97Cavy: One question to all the panada guys that have thier batteries like this:
Wheres your spare tire mount, and wheres the jack go?
I can't answer for the first vehicle pictured... but in THIS picture... the jack is directly under the tire. As I mentioned though, my spare tire and jack are present when I compete.
Given what BS-Johnny said earlier you're allowed to remove the spare tire. There wouldn't be a need to cut/remove anything else to fit the yellow cactus battery under there as in the first picture. He could probably even leave the jack in it's position without causing any problems because there is a recess under the tire for it to fit in to.
Carlton: I think you're missing the issue. We've always been allowed to "massage" things in order to get a battery under the hood. But when it comes to cutting sheet metal IN the vehicle we run in to problems. Some people say "stock means stock" .. whereas others say "if it's not needed any more then go ahead and cut it out".
Btw.. again, I hope no one thinks I'm purposefully trying to start trouble. I'm in a bit of a unique situation where I have a Panda and my team mate has a CRX... so we just want to make sure we know what the rules are for both vehicles but they almost seem to contradict each other.
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RFKANGOO: yes, most american competitors change to either a short-ram or cold-air intake in order to fit their crx batteries. However a crx is considered a tuner car, and this is a very normal practice, and has never been a problem.
I have never seen anything in the rules that prohibits the removal of the bracket that we are talking about (I have seen the large bracket removed, but not the small one). Its all part of a custom installation, which is allowed by the rules, and I have seen a number of shops do things like that in normal everyday installations.
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quote:Originally posted by Broken Silence - Johnny: RFKANGOO: yes, most american competitors change to either a short-ram or cold-air intake in order to fit their crx batteries. However a crx is considered a tuner car, and this is a very normal practice, and has never been a problem.
I have never seen anything in the rules that prohibits the removal of the bracket that we are talking about (I have seen the large bracket removed, but not the small one). Its all part of a custom installation, which is allowed by the rules, and I have seen a number of shops do things like that in normal everyday installations.
If it's common practice in Europe to not use the seat clips in a Panda when building an amp rack, would that make it ok?
(clearly it's not common practice where you live because they don't even have these vehicles, but that shouldn't really be the defining factor of what is legal, should it?
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Jordy, its common practice by competitors, what you have to ask yourself is if they took their car to a shop to have an install done, would a professional installer leave the seat unclipped in order to fit more equipment in? If they are a professional, the answer is no, because they would then be accepting liability for what happens to passengers in the car with the unlatched seat.
I know a lot of installers who cut out little things here and there in order to make a box/amp/speaker fit...
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quote:Originally posted by Broken Silence - Johnny: Jordy, its common practice by competitors, what you have to ask yourself is if they took their car to a shop to have an install done, would a professional installer leave the seat unclipped in order to fit more equipment in? If they are a professional, the answer is no, because they would then be accepting liability for what happens to passengers in the car with the unlatched seat.
Then, on the other side of the coin, would an installer cut out a tire jack holder with the possibility of said jack flying into the back of the driver's skull in the event of a collision?
Would an installer accept that liability?
Or the spare tire ending up wedged between the driver and passenger's shoulders?
There are two sides to every coin. I'd imagine your next response will be to just simply remove those two items from the CRX to prevent such accidents, but Panda owners will respond that they will/do not allow rear seat passengers. (who would want to ride in the rear of one anyway?)
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In sedans and other vehicles that have folding seats, we require that the seats " latch " into position. If the panda can " latch " to where it can't be folded unless you "unlatch" the seat then they can remove what they need to. If this latch must remain in place in order to secure the seat, then they may not remove it.
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quote:Originally posted by Broken Silence - Johnny: Jordy, its common practice by competitors, what you have to ask yourself is if they took their car to a shop to have an install done, would a professional installer leave the seat unclipped in order to fit more equipment in? If they are a professional, the answer is no, because they would then be accepting liability for what happens to passengers in the car with the unlatched seat.
I know a lot of installers who cut out little things here and there in order to make a box/amp/speaker fit...
Ok, then it's at this time that I have to ask if you've ever seen a street class Panda? (I hope I don't offend with that question)
The reason I'm aksing is because the clips at the bottom of the seat have absolutely nothing to do with safety.
The bars at the knees/shoulders are definitely there for safety reasons (as well as being the actual structure to the seat) .. but without the clips the seat still sits in place, a person can still safely sit in the seat and even fasten the seat belt. As I mentioned in the CRX thread they are basically there for aesthetics.
Now I really think that I'll have to take my amps/box/flooring out of my car just to show you guys the pics I'm talking about
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quote:Originally posted by dBSteve: In sedans and other vehicles that have folding seats, we require that the seats " latch " into position. If the panda can " latch " to where it can't be folded unless you "unlatch" the seat then they can remove what they need to. If this latch must remain in place in order to secure the seat, then they may not remove it.
Steve.. the folding action is controlled by latches at the top of the seat at either end of the bar that crosses the shoulders. (as with all regular hatch backs with a rear seat)
These clips are located at the BOTTOM of the seat, where your butt is, to hold the "hammoc" piece down to the floor.
If I understand what you're saying then it's perfectly fine for these to not be clipped because they pose no safety risk and the seats can still fold up/down as designed.
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Ok.... so I got a bit bored at work and found a picture to edit in MS Paint.
In this picture the yellow arrows point to the 4 locations where the bars lock in to the vehicle. (no one is questioning these)
The blue circles in the middle of the lower part on the seat are where these clips are attached to the floor.
The black dots are where there should be holes for the seat belts. (this is the picture of someone who had just reupholstered his seats, so I put them in to show that the seatbelt could still go through even without the clips)
Sorry about the crap pic, it's the best I could do so quickly
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If the amps are under the seat, would it raise the seat enough that if the clips where still there and usable, would they be able to reach and still latch, OR would the seat being raised prevent that?
Basically, I'm asking how much does adding an amp under the seat raise the seat. From my experience, I would say none.
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quote:Originally posted by dBSteve: This would be my question -
If the amps are under the seat, would it raise the seat enough that if the clips where still there and usable, would they be able to reach and still latch, OR would the seat being raised prevent that?
Basically, I'm asking how much does adding an amp under the seat raise the seat. From my experience, I would say none.
it isn't allowed to raise the seat the seat is at it's original place with the amps under it (when needed) when a normal person sits there you don't feel the amps the thing is that the amps cover the place where the clip is attatched to the floor
btw. I thought this topic was about the crx
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quote:Originally posted by dBSteve: This would be my question -
If the amps are under the seat, would it raise the seat enough that if the clips where still there and usable, would they be able to reach and still latch, OR would the seat being raised prevent that?
Basically, I'm asking how much does adding an amp under the seat raise the seat. From my experience, I would say none.
1 is legal, 2 and 3 are not. Shouldn't matter about the clip as long as the "shape" of the seat isn't changed.
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quote:Originally posted by dBSteve: This would be my question -
If the amps are under the seat, would it raise the seat enough that if the clips where still there and usable, would they be able to reach and still latch, OR would the seat being raised prevent that?
Basically, I'm asking how much does adding an amp under the seat raise the seat. From my experience, I would say none.
They would definitely still be able to reach and latch if it weren't for the mounting parts on the floor being covered by the amps.
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