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Define please. Parts are parts. Are custom made parts built by an individual ok?
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not to start something but in another topic I read that the DDZ sub wasn't available for everyone ?? what about that doesn't sound commercially available to me
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quote:Originally posted by RFKANGOO: not to start something but in another topic I read that the DDZ sub wasn't available for everyone ?? what about that doesn't sound commercially available to me
Michel, if you pay 4995eur to a DD Dealer, they will sell you or anybody else a 99Z10a, no problem
I even have seen them for sale on french ebay from a retailer, brand new.
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I also know for a fact that a certain company provides their top tier competitors with a sub custom designed for their enclosure an application....surrounds, coils, spiders that are all manufactured and available only if you're an "insider".
quote:Originally posted by Team DD Belgium - Dieter:
quote:Originally posted by RFKANGOO: not to start something but in another topic I read that the DDZ sub wasn't available for everyone ?? what about that doesn't sound commercially available to me
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Seeing as there are so many subs are out there that have been built as one model and reconed to another spec, its going to be nigh on imposible saying what sub is or isnt comercially available.
99Zs are listed on the DD website and available via SoundPressure, they may try and sell you other items to save you money but they are available.
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I think this is hard to judge . If it is availlable on time it should have to be enough . Some may say that if you are sponserd this will also give you an unfair advantage over somebody else .
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Its not about being loud i thought it was about an advantage that some could have by getting parts that some cant get . So in a way being sponserd for 500 a sub instead off 5000 is kinda the same becaus not everybody can get sponsering .
As was answered to me a few years ago, back in 02 I believe it was...once someone buys a subwoofer they can use "similar" recone parts to fix it if it fails...(that came down at world finals per wayne himself along with a couple of the judges at the time)! Basically, I was pissed off that people were buying subs from me and putting other peoples dustcaps on them! MA Audio even offered a couple of my top competitors free similar recone parts in trade for using their logo on the dustcaps...Another guy that actually worked for RE ran shocker subs with RE dustcaps and got away with it...one guy had a sponcership through memphis and just placed their dustcaps right over mine to hide the fact he wasn't holding to his commitment...you name it, I've seen it...so to answer your question, I would say that so long as your custom parts are "similar" <<<note the grey area>>> to the original parts you can pretty much do whatever you want to!
ps, got another one for ya, try to wrap your heads around this one! a couple years back, company "B" was actually purchasing used motors from company "A"'s old competitors to rebuild as their own drivers...The catch 22 here is that company "A" only offered said driver to their elite top competitors and said driver was never available for purchase anywhere the first season it was used at all period! Both company "A" and company "B" used said driver to compete and win championships AT FINALS! MIND YOU, NEITHER COMPANY OFFERED THIS SUB AS AVAILABLE TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC FOR THE FIRST WHOLE SEASON THEY USED THEM AT FINALS! Is your head spinning yet?
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I think we can all agree, subs are not the real issue here, its amps.
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so,,,if I buy commercially available raw materials and build my own motor structures at my machine shop, is that ok?
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quote:Originally posted by Brad Eubank: so,,,if I buy commercially available raw materials and build my own motor structures at my machine shop, is that ok?
You need a dealer in Missouri Brad?
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quote:Originally posted by Team Shocker Mike: Another guy that actually worked for RE ran shocker subs with RE dustcaps and got away with it...
No no no... I only had Shocker motor structures with my baskets, coils, cones, leads, terminals, spiders, glue, and dustcaps. they were definitely a good bit louder (in my application) with non-Shocker parts.
Only the motors were "Shocker"... plus I painted them black so they weren't real Shockers anymore anyhow.
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quote:Originally posted by Team Shocker Mike: Another guy that actually worked for RE ran shocker subs with RE dustcaps and got away with it...
No no no... I only had Shocker motor structures with my baskets, coils, cones, leads, terminals, spiders, glue, and dustcaps. they were definitely a good bit louder (in my application) with non-Shocker parts.
Only the motors were "Shocker"... plus I painted them black so they weren't real Shockers anymore anyhow.
lol, I wasn't gonna mention any names.
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my real email addy is shocker_mike@yahoo.com but wayne don't allow yahoo accounts so my account is working off of a dead email! Posts: 1758 | From: sherwood | Registered: Jul 1999
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quote:Originally posted by Team Maxxsonics - John:
quote:Originally posted by shaven99ranger: I also know for a fact that a certain company provides their top tier competitors with a sub custom designed for their enclosure an application....surrounds, coils, spiders that are all manufactured and available only if you're an "insider".
Thanks for the input.
This is the type of problem that is getting way out of control. To often certain people have products that others can not purchase. They now have an unfair advantage. This is not commercially available products.
I agree, but on the other hand...
If I have myself and RE MT motor....and decide to bolt on a T3 basket with T3 spiders, an RE cone, a DD coil, and put a blank dust cap on it....then I have myself a commercially available woofer.
All those parts are available to the general public, I just chose to operate on mine a little.
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What if I buy a commercially available Maxxsonics amp and half of the internal parts caught fire one day?
Should I have to buy all new electronic components from Maxxsonics directly or would similar replacement parts be ok?
I think building a special piece of equipment from scratch and repairing a commercially available piece of equipment with similar parts are two different things.
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And there is nothing saying homemade subs are not allowed.
The same goes for amps. If someone builds an amp from an available board it has to be legal.
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Would that then not make it a modded amp or sub? Just Asking! I take the term "commercially available" to mean that the end product must be as if you purchased it new from a dealer. If that is so what about the enternal fuses on some amps if you changed them would them be modded? Not sure. But there does need to be some clarification on this topic.
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