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I dont ever remember looking in the tirewell of a crx and seeing any metal. I know that in the past competitors using the extended cab s-10 have been able to remove the jack bracket off the back wall as well.
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quote:Originally posted by dbWarrior: What is this talk about cutting metal from crx for making room for AMPS ? Any pictures what is this operation ??
Most if not all CRX owners (myself included) cut out a small square tab (1" x 1") in the center of the tire well. The tab was designed to hold the spare tire securely.
Most also cut out a larger piece of metal on the drivers side rear that secures the jack. This piece is about 3" wide by 12" long and has a 90 degree curve in the middle.
They are cut out for room to place amplifers.
Mikko, I could not find any pics. If you can find a pic of a 1990 tire well I will point out the pieces.
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quote:Originally posted by gfunknz: so if a box sits upright when the seats are locked up, but when foilded down for comps the box can't be put on it's side? I have read the rules so many times and it's still very unclear, the normal operation of the seats is still there, however there is nothing to say the box can't be moved when the seats are down. Providing when the seats are up or down the box is still under the window line etc then there is nothing that I see that says the box has to stay in one fixed position. Put it this way, with the box up, it's legal for ST A, with the seats down and the box on it's side it's still legal, but it's 2db louder
Can someone answer this?
Also, if the seats are folded forward like the Panda and folds up just behind the front seats, is the box able to be moved forward into the cargo area that is created.
Various Fiats and my Lada and a friends toyota have the seat attached, but can be folded up providing a flat cargo area that the box can be moved forward into.
This doesn't mean to say that there is an increased benefit or not with moving a box forward as the total air volume wouldn't necessarily change, but it just provides an option of placement and position.
quote:Originally posted by gfunknz: so if a box sits upright when the seats are locked up, but when foilded down for comps the box can't be put on it's side? I have read the rules so many times and it's still very unclear, the normal operation of the seats is still there, however there is nothing to say the box can't be moved when the seats are down. Providing when the seats are up or down the box is still under the window line etc then there is nothing that I see that says the box has to stay in one fixed position. Put it this way, with the box up, it's legal for ST A, with the seats down and the box on it's side it's still legal, but it's 2db louder
Can someone answer this?
Also, if the seats are folded forward like the Panda and folds up just behind the front seats, is the box able to be moved forward into the cargo area that is created.
Various Fiats and my Lada and a friends toyota have the seat attached, but can be folded up providing a flat cargo area that the box can be moved forward into.
This doesn't mean to say that there is an increased benefit or not with moving a box forward as the total air volume wouldn't necessarily change, but it just provides an option of placement and position.
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This has already been answered by several people if you go back and re-read this post.
Once again the answer is no, this is not allowed in the street division.
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quote:Originally posted by Broken Silence - Johnny: The clips should be locked for the car to be legal.
The clips are made to be unlocked when the seat is folded.
Would it be acceptable if they were unlocked while the seat is folded but still be capable of going back to where they need to be once the seat is upright?
(btw, I can leave them completely clipped at all times in my car right now because of how my amps are located, so I'm just asking to make sure I'm 100% clear on the rules!)
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quote:Originally posted by Broken Silence - Johnny: The clips should be locked for the car to be legal.
The clips are made to be unlocked when the seat is folded.
Would it be acceptable if they were unlocked while the seat is folded but still be capable of going back to where they need to be once the seat is upright?
(btw, I can leave them completely clipped at all times in my car right now because of how my amps are located, so I'm just asking to make sure I'm 100% clear on the rules!)
this sounds correct. With the amps/box staying in one place, the seat should be able to be folded, unclipped and returned, folded and reclipped with out moving the amps/box.
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then i want to see all the removed metal and plastic for fitting amps in a crx back in
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quote:Originally posted by augustijnen Peter: then i want to see all the removed metal and plastic for fitting amps in a crx back in
the cutting of metal has nothing to do with the normal operation of the vehicle. This is the same as cutting the jack holder in Chevy S-10's. We've never required vehicles to have a spare tire or equipment to change a tire such as a jack.
Removing some items like these is normal for any car audio shop to do when doing installs. Boxes wont fit in an extended cab S-10 unless you cut this jack mount out of the way. Same with metal in the spare tire well of 'any' vehicle. If this item is in the way of doing an install in the trunk, then its removed.
As far as the clip for the seat of a Panda, maybe we're not exactly sure what this is or how it performs in the vehicle. Seats must function normally. If this clip is part of the normal "latching" function of the rear seat, then it is required. If its just a misallenous item that is not required for the proper latching and saftey of the seat, then by all means, remove it.
This would be like removing the seat belt brackets if they were installed in the floor and in the way of the install. This would be allowed.
Some would say that removing the seatbelt brackets would not allow the vehicle to pass inspection. As judges, we only judge the audio system and the modifications done to the vehicle to allow for the modifications. We do not judge if the vehicle is road worthy or legal to drive.
Lets see some pics of these clips, installed and removed. Lets see how they are used.
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So in one post you say you want things 100% stock and another your saying CRXs can cut some metal out?
Come on Steve, its either stock or its modified.
100% normal use of a CRX means a spare wheel and a jack in that boot.
And it means Panda seats fixed in clips.
You cant force one without the other.
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quote:Originally posted by augustijnen Peter: then i want to see all the removed metal and plastic for fitting amps in a crx back in
the cutting of metal has nothing to do with the normal operation of the vehicle. This is the same as cutting the jack holder in Chevy S-10's. We've never required vehicles to have a spare tire or equipment to change a tire such as a jack.
Removing some items like these is normal for any car audio shop to do when doing installs. Boxes wont fit in an extended cab S-10 unless you cut this jack mount out of the way. Same with metal in the spare tire well of 'any' vehicle. If this item is in the way of doing an install in the trunk, then its removed.
As far as the clip for the seat of a Panda, maybe we're not exactly sure what this is or how it performs in the vehicle. Seats must function normally. If this clip is part of the normal "latching" function of the rear seat, then it is required. If its just a misallenous item that is not required for the proper latching and saftey of the seat, then by all means, remove it.
This would be like removing the seat belt brackets if they were installed in the floor and in the way of the install. This would be allowed.
Some would say that removing the seatbelt brackets would not allow the vehicle to pass inspection. As judges, we only judge the audio system and the modifications done to the vehicle to allow for the modifications. We do not judge if the vehicle is road worthy or legal to drive.
Lets see some pics of these clips, installed and removed. Lets see how they are used.
The metal for my jack panel is still in my S10 and always has been. Now the plastic cover is gone, but that is no different than removing the plastic "trunk" out of the back of a CRX or the board over the spare tire well (designed as a user removable component).
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quote:Originally posted by Shedluv: The metal for my jack panel is still in my S10 and always has been. Now the plastic cover is gone, but that is no different than removing the plastic "trunk" out of the back of a CRX or the board over the spare tire well (designed as a user removable component).
the problem with the user removable bit is that the panda has user removable rear seats? with no tools required!
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