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The rules are a little unclear where it says seats can be folded, but the sub box can't impede the normal use of the seat, or words to those effect. I saw a car that had it's seats holded down and the sub box slid forward over top of the seats. for the seats to be functional the box would just need sliding back, is the all legal? Obviously if the box was so big the seats coul never be put up it's not, but this particular car had the box up near the B pillar as that's where the seats folded forward to.
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No, that wouldn't be legal. You can't slide the box up/on the seats.
It has to remain in the cargo area so that the seats can fold up freely.
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quote:Originally posted by Team DD Patrick: If a seat is put back in original position , dous it need all the securing points fixed when demonstrating it ?
If its in the original position, i would assume its also locked in the mounts. But you must maintain normal operation, so yes you would need to secure it like it is from the factory.
3-8b: Nothing in the sound system may interfere with the normal use and / or operation of the vehicle.
3-8c: Seats may be folded for competition, but may not be removed from the vehicle. Competitors who fold their seats must be able to demonstrate that the installation of the sound system does not interfere with the normal operation of the seats that were folded.
Additional Guidelines:
If a vehicle has more than 2 rows of seating, then the additional rows (3+) may be removed at the competitor's discretion.
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no more panda's in street B and C way to **** whole europe
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my seat can fit in the location there are just 2 clips that dont work cause off the amps infront off the box and under the seat
judges allowed it for over 3 years now
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I removed that peice of metal to fit my amps, but it is also part of my "custom amp rack"
I think db drag racing is all how you interprit the rules, but In my opinion the seat not locking in in pandas is very gray because, it states in teh rules that the seat must lock into place.
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I've always used hatch back cars with back seats for db drag and at every event they check to see if my seats fold up and lock into place. No judge has ever let me slide with my seat not locking.
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quote:Originally posted by augustijnen Peter: no more panda's in street B and C way to **** whole europe
Are you saying that people weren't in compliance with this rule before now??
hhmmm ....
If the panda seats dont latch in position then it does not qualify for the street division.
interesting ... very interesting
The "clips" have nothing to do with normal seat operation. It doesn't effect the normal use of the seat in anny way. And i have no personal "vendeta" against "somebody"
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quote:Originally posted by augustijnen Peter: my seat can fit in the location there are just 2 clips that dont work cause off the amps infront off the box and under the seat
judges allowed it for over 3 years now
Peter... do you mean the clips on the floor for holding the bottom of the seats down?
If those are the one's you mean, I don't think this rule counts for them.
The seats still fold up/down and lock in to place properly without them.
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so if a box sits upright when the seats are locked up, but when foilded down for comps the box can't be put on it's side? I have read the rules so many times and it's still very unclear, the normal operation of the seats is still there, however there is nothing to say the box can't be moved when the seats are down. Providing when the seats are up or down the box is still under the window line etc then there is nothing that I see that says the box has to stay in one fixed position. Put it this way, with the box up, it's legal for ST A, with the seats down and the box on it's side it's still legal, but it's 2db louder
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quote:Originally posted by Team Maxxsonics - John: Just be sure not to move the seats 2" further forward then they are designed to be
All of my original mounting points are still in place. It's just the lower "clips" which attach the bottom of the seat to the floor which are not attached. (mine could be, they're just not used)
Not having them connected doesn't remove any functionality of the seat at all
(btw... I still HAVE all of these parts in case any legalities get questioned. I just don't use them because it's easier to add/remove the seat when working on the car. They really wouldn't do anything to help raise your score)
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quote:Originally posted by JordyO: Not having them connected doesn't remove any functionality of the seat at all
Some will say you can still use the seat, so normal operation is maintained. Other will say, that the seat cant be mounted like its intented from the factory, so you no longer have normal operation.
quote: I just don't use them because it's easier to add/remove the seat when working on the car. They really wouldn't do anything to help raise your score)
Thats not my conclution from the tests i done in the past....
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I believe after looking at the photos that the clips would have the same function as the lower seat bolts in other cars. They are used to secure the seats in place for safety.
If your seats had 2 lower bolts securing them to the car would it be legal to remove them?
The nature of the materials used does not change the function of the part.
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quote:Originally posted by Team Maxxsonics - John: In your opinion, does not using the clips increase SPL? I do have test results from others so I'm curious as to your findings.
Yes, it increases the SPL very much, because you can use 2-6 more Amps in SB and SC!
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