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First can a cargo van be used in SS no wall ? The only place I see in the rule's that say no cargo is the street class.
If they are ok to use how much and where can sound deadner be used BEHIND the b-pillar ? Now how much expanding foam can be used behind the b-pillar and where....how about silocone behind the b-pillar BUT above the window line ?
Any thought's ????
Sorry I have also posted in DB Drag, just need a quick ruleing.
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from what i was told the car or in your case the van has to be stock just how it comes from the dealer.That is what i was told if i am wrong some you send me the right way too.
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in NW it needs to be stock above the "window line" but you are allowed 2 layers of dampening .. no panels are needed in a cargo van behind the B piller... but they do need a headliner from the Windshield to the B piller if you have more questions just call (209)678-6464 later Doug
quote:Originally posted by Scubaguy: in NW it needs to be stock above the "window line" but you are allowed 2 layers of dampening .. no panels are needed in a cargo van behind the B piller... but they do need a headliner from the Windshield to the B piller if you have more questions just call (209)678-6464 later Doug
what if the vehicle didn't come with a headliner? Does the side doors still need to function?
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dBSteve Get Loud Productions LLC Posts: 8442 | From: Midwest | Registered: Aug 2000
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if it is a cargo van it came with a headliner rom the factory.. up to the B pillar that is.. and I dont belive the door has to be functional but cant be welded shut or anyhting like that .. door handles break.. I have 2 broken on the wifes Durango right now later Doug
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Yes my door's still work and I have headliner from the b-pillar foward.
What about expanding foam above the window line,when used per insturiction's....not to fill gap's of void's,only to dampen rattle's in the double cargo skin.
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why don't the door have to be working ?? a part of it is above windowline so that should be working
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quote:Originally posted by RFKANGOO: why don't the door have to be working ?? a part of it is above windowline so that should be working
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Everything above the windowline has to be stock, so the side door has to open!
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quote:Originally posted by Team DD Belgium - Dieter:
quote:Originally posted by RFKANGOO: why don't the door have to be working ?? a part of it is above windowline so that should be working
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Everything above the windowline has to be stock, so the side door has to open!
if above the window line is not modified then the door is legal ( according to the rules ). No where in the rule book does it say that doors have to open.
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dBSteve Get Loud Productions LLC Posts: 8442 | From: Midwest | Registered: Aug 2000
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quote:Originally posted by Team DD Belgium - Dieter:
quote:Originally posted by RFKANGOO: why don't the door have to be working ?? a part of it is above windowline so that should be working
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Everything above the windowline has to be stock, so the side door has to open!
if above the window line is not modified then the door is legal ( according to the rules ). No where in the rule book does it say that doors have to open.
If the door doesn't open anymore, it's modified
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quote:Originally posted by Team DD Belgium - Dieter:
quote:Originally posted by dBSteve:
quote:Originally posted by Team DD Belgium - Dieter:
quote:Originally posted by RFKANGOO: why don't the door have to be working ?? a part of it is above windowline so that should be working
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Everything above the windowline has to be stock, so the side door has to open!
if above the window line is not modified then the door is legal ( according to the rules ). No where in the rule book does it say that doors have to open.
If the door doesn't open anymore, it's modified
Or broken.....I guess that cracked front air dam on my truck isn't really broken, it's actually modified by your reasoning.
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Super Street Division Passenger Compartment Restrictions 3-10a Modifications to the passenger compartment from the B-Pillar forward are prohibited.
Additional Guidelines:
The OEM headliner (or an equivalent replacement) must remain in place for those areas in front of the B-Pillar. The OEM door panels (or an equivalent replacement) must remain in place for those areas in front of the B-Pillar. The OEM carpeting (or an equivalent replacement) must remain in place for those areas in front of the B-Pillar. Sound damping materials may be used to reduce vibration when installed in accordance with the manufacturer's recommended installation instructions. For those areas located in front of the B-Pillars, the maximum total thickness of sound damping material applied at any given location may not exceed 5/32 inch (4mm). The sound damping application may consist of mat-type material, spray-on material, or a combination of the two. A maximum of 2 layers of mat-type material may be used at any given location, even if the total thickness of the sound damping material(s) is less than 5/32 inch (4mm).
------- For those areas located behind the B-Pillars, an unlimited amount of sound damping material(s) may be used. Expanding foam may be used sparingly***** in front of the B-Pillars to seal small openings or reduce vibration, but may not be used to fill voids or other large cavities (such as the dashboard or doors)*****. An unlimited amount of expanding foam may be used behind the B-Pillars. ---------------------------------
So what about expanding foam above the window line in SS No Wall ,behind the b-pillar WHEN used to reduce videration ONLY,not to add streath or take up air space. BUT used sparingly....the factory had some sort of foam sealer orginaly bewteen most of the roof suport's,over time has fallen apart.
Now the side's have a inner frame(sheet metal) and the outer skin,there is nothing bewteen them,and they touch. The way I interpit the rule's even though it's above the window line sound deadner can be used,just like in front of the b-pillar. Can I use the expanding foam sparingly in place of "dynamat" ????
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quote:Originally posted by Team DD Belgium - Dieter:
quote:Originally posted by dBSteve:
quote:Originally posted by Team DD Belgium - Dieter:
quote:Originally posted by RFKANGOO: why don't the door have to be working ?? a part of it is above windowline so that should be working
X2!!
Everything above the windowline has to be stock, so the side door has to open!
if above the window line is not modified then the door is legal ( according to the rules ). No where in the rule book does it say that doors have to open.
If the door doesn't open anymore, it's modified
so what if the door is cut in half? would that be legal?
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dBSteve Get Loud Productions LLC Posts: 8442 | From: Midwest | Registered: Aug 2000
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so that would mean you can weld the backdoor also ?? a great advantage in no-wall I think
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I think you guys know what is right and wrong and what the intent of the rules are. Common sense will tell you you can't weld the door shut at any given point even though the rules don't specifically say either way.
If the bottom half of the door is welded, how can one tell if the top half is still functionable ...
When in doubt, leave it stock.
So, to answer to posters question, yes you can use expanding foam sparingly throughout the interior. excessive amounts to fill voids etc will have to be trimed back.
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dBSteve Get Loud Productions LLC Posts: 8442 | From: Midwest | Registered: Aug 2000
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Thanks DBSteve, that's what I though. Now once I'm at a show and for some reason the judge dosn't like the foam,would I be able to remove the questonable part's at a show ?
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