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Originally posted by Broken Silence - Johnny:
It has been discussed before, and it would allow people to run more amplifiers because they would start to strap 2 amps per woofer and still have the right number of conductors. It has been tried in the past to limit by number of amps, and it doesnt work because people make cheater amps.

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How?
There are already rules that limits the use of "homemade" amps, and the use of more amps.
Like Street A, max 1 stereoamp or 2 linked monoamps. how can you get more amps there, i dont see it...

Street, B, C and so on..

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Originally posted by Broken Silence - Johnny:
It has been discussed before, and it would allow people to run more amplifiers because they would start to strap 2 amps per woofer and still have the right number of conductors. It has been tried in the past to limit by number of amps, and it doesnt work because people make cheater amps.

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How?
There are already rules that limits the use of "homemade" amps, and the use of more amps.
Like Street A, max 1 stereoamp or 2 linked monoamps. how can you get more amps there, i dont see it...

Street, B, C and so on..

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Like the SPL-Dynamics EXT4000d, it's just ext2000d's bolted together. With the current rules you can only use one ext4000 in street A because of the maximum conductor rule, but it's just "one" amp.

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Originally posted by Team DD Belgium - Dieter:
Like the SPL-Dynamics EXT4000d, it's just ext2000d's bolted together. With the current rules you can only use one ext4000 in street A because of the maximum conductor rule, but it's just "one" amp.

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Thats just what i'm saying, why have rules for everything, when one rule kind of eliminates the other?

Example:
You have 1 EXT4000D in street a, which is allowed, then you could run 2 conductors for each subwoofer, instead of 2 conductors for both.

Like me, i got 2 PRS-D5000SPL i can either link them together, and use 2 conductors, or i could use one amp pr subwoofer. Which sometimes works better if you got a to low load for your amps.

Cheap amps doesnt have the possibility of linking, but expencive amps does..

This will then limit the class for people with less money/sponsors then the ones that have lots of money/sponsors.

So the Street A should have had this rules and this rules only.
3x8" or 2x10" or 1x12", 1 stereoamp or 2 monoamps.
and then the rules of placement and such could be the same as before. but no rules regarding the amount of conductors.

But hey, thats just me, hehe.... some might disagree for different reasons.

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Originally posted by Team DD Belgium - Dieter:
Like the SPL-Dynamics EXT4000d, it's just ext2000d's bolted together. With the current rules you can only use one ext4000 in street A because of the maximum conductor rule, but it's just "one" amp.

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Thats just what i'm saying, why have rules for everything, when one rule kind of eliminates the other?

Example:
You have 1 EXT4000D in street a, which is allowed, then you could run 2 conductors for each subwoofer, instead of 2 conductors for both.

Like me, i got 2 PRS-D5000SPL i can either link them together, and use 2 conductors, or i could use one amp pr subwoofer. Which sometimes works better if you got a to low load for your amps.

Cheap amps doesnt have the possibility of linking, but expencive amps does..

This will then limit the class for people with less money/sponsors then the ones that have lots of money/sponsors.

So the Street A should have had this rules and this rules only.
3x8" or 2x10" or 1x12", 1 stereoamp or 2 monoamps.
and then the rules of placement and such could be the same as before. but no rules regarding the amount of conductors.

But hey, thats just me, hehe.... some might disagree for different reasons.

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The point is, if they allow you to connect each of your amps individually to your subs, they should also allow to use 2 ext4000d's in street A, because it's "one" amp. At that point, the competitor with the 2 ext4000d's is actually playing with 4 ext2000d's.

If that's the case, I'm going to ask to DD to bolt 2 Z1's together and I can play with 4 Z1's in street A, because the "double" Z1 is only "one" amp and if I link them, I'm only using 4 wires to connect my subs

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2005: 156,5dB @ dB-Drag Street A certified / 159.1dB @ IDBL Stock 1 worldrecord
2006:157.5 dB @ dB-Drag Street A certified
2007: 158.2 dB Worldrecord Street A / 158.3 dB @ dB-Drag Street A certified
2008: Benelux dB-drag judge

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Originally posted by Team DD Belgium - Dieter:
The point is, if they allow you to connect each of your amps individually to your subs, they should also allow to use 2 ext4000d's in street A, because it's "one" amp. At that point, the competitor with the 2 ext4000d's is actually playing with 4 ext2000d's.

If that's the case, I'm going to ask to DD to bolt 2 Z1's together and I can play with 4 Z1's in street A, because the "double" Z1 is only "one" amp and if I link them, I'm only using 4 wires to connect my subs

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In norway we kind of had the understanding that amps that are made like the ext4000 are counted as two amps, not one.. (so it either works as one stereoamp or 2 monoamps)
Since the EXT4000 has two amps, its automatically a stereoamp, and in Street A there is only allowed one stereoamp. so therefore you cant run more than one of these in Street A..

If you got DD to bolt two amps together, it would count as a stereamp, and therefore you could not use more then one of those either..

So as i said, one rule eliminates the other, and actually just limits the competition, and you get beginners that would have to compete in high classes at their first competition..

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Originally posted by augustijnen Peter:
in the way you see it 2 crowns will be allowed in street A
thats why the conductor rule was added

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how, i guess you're talking about the 3000/6000GTI amp?

which is a 2 channel amp, so then again, if its not a stereoamp you could always set a rule for channels instead of mono vs stereo.

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