quote:Originally posted by H-O-Alts-Rick: Where is any of that info coming from? I see no mention of anything even close to that in the rules or the definitions.
Common sense. If you believe me to be incorrect, then I challenge you to prove me wrong.
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Actually from what I could find looking at all the 2 seater cars and convertibles I could think of, only the Corvette has a parcell shelf. Unless I missed something that would mean they are all hatchbacks. Therefore the b-pillar would be the issue and wouldn't have anything to do with the seats. Can you give me an example of any 2-seater other then Corvettes with a parcell shelf?
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I just looked at a bunch of pics on Ebay and Cadillac.com. From what I can see there is no opening behind the seats to the cargo area. It appears that there is no shelf. There is a panel that looks like a shelf but it actually moves out of the way then back when you raise or lower the top. I would think that that would make it something other then a permanent parcell shelf.
quote:Originally posted by H-O-Alts-Rick: I just looked at a bunch of pics on Ebay and Cadillac.com. From what I can see there is no opening behind the seats to the cargo area. It appears that there is no shelf. There is a panel that looks like a shelf but it actually moves out of the way then back when you raise or lower the top. I would think that that would make it something other then a permanent parcell shelf.
The rear deck can only be one of two things, it is either permanent or it is removeable. Since the deck is not a removeable part, what else would you call it? Also, there is a panel between the trunk and seating compartment, but it is a consumer removable item.
quote:Originally posted by H-O-Alts-Rick: I just looked at a bunch of pics on Ebay and Cadillac.com. From what I can see there is no opening behind the seats to the cargo area. It appears that there is no shelf. There is a panel that looks like a shelf but it actually moves out of the way then back when you raise or lower the top. I would think that that would make it something other then a permanent parcell shelf.
The rear deck can only be one of two things, it is either permanent or it is removeable. Since the deck is not a removeable part, what else would you call it? Also, there is a panel between the trunk and seating compartment, but it is a consumer removable item.
Ok, so corvettes and XLR's are 2 seaters with rear decks, therefore they are trunk cars.
quote:Originally posted by GCool1: not to be a butt, that car in ANY street classes wount make the top 20... I dont think many ppl will be bitchin about your car!
I somewhat agree. I am just insulted that they are classifying it as a hatchback when it's not. Is my car stuck in a loophole? Yes, I am not saying it's not. They need to just rewrite the rules or add one instead of calling mine something it's not. Hell I will even write it, then they can just add it.
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Rick, face the facts, your car is a hatchback. It is not a "trunk" car. It has been ruled by the judges, and no amount of discussion (AKA complaining) is going to change that. You have beaten this horse so much that no one can even tell if it is a horse anymore. LEAVE IT ALONE
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quote:Originally posted by H-O-Alts-Rick: Ok, so corvettes and XLR's are 2 seaters with rear decks, therefore they are trunk cars.
You are correct in saying that the XLR and the Corvette are "trunk" type vehicles. Not because of the rear deck, but because they do not have a hatch type opening to the rear of the vehicle. The terms "Hatch" and "Trunk" refer to the accessibility into the cargo area of a vehicle. A "Hatch" is a hinged opening, allowing access into the interior of a vessel. A "Trunk" is a cover that allows access to the storage space of a vessel. In the automotive world, these terms (Trunk and Hatch) refer to the design of the vehicle in which a person gains access to the rear of the vehicle. If the access point allows access into the interior of the vehicle, then it would be classified as having a "hatch". If the access point only allows access to the storage space of a vehicle, then it would be classified as having a "trunk (lid)".
Regardless if the vehicle has a rear deck, or not, should not be the determining factor in classifying a vehicle. This is why I stated earlier that I believe the previously posted "definitions" could use some attention.
quote:Originally posted by Sid Grice: You are correct in saying that the XLR and the Corvette are "trunk" type vehicles. Not because of the rear deck, but because they do not have a hatch type opening to the rear of the vehicle.
Finally someone gets it. I can't believe people are saying anything other then that. You seem to have a lot of knowledge of cars. Can you think of any other cars with no opening from the rear like corvettes?
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I found a sales flyer where they called a "larger trunk " . Can you send me a link or copy of the document you speak of? You may have to PM it, I have a feeling this post is about to get deleted or locked.
quote:Originally posted by GCool1: not to be a butt, that car in ANY street classes wount make the top 20... I dont think many ppl will be bitchin about your car!
I somewhat agree. I am just insulted that they are classifying it as a hatchback when it's not. Is my car stuck in a loophole? Yes, I am not saying it's not. They need to just rewrite the rules or add one instead of calling mine something it's not. Hell I will even write it, then they can just add it.
if thats the case I have some rules I need to write as well.... but I dont think you or my writing some rules are going to fly
quote:Originally posted by GCool1: not to be a butt, that car in ANY street classes wount make the top 20... I dont think many ppl will be bitchin about your car!
I somewhat agree. I am just insulted that they are classifying it as a hatchback when it's not. Is my car stuck in a loophole? Yes, I am not saying it's not. They need to just rewrite the rules or add one instead of calling mine something it's not. Hell I will even write it, then they can just add it.
if thats the case I have some rules I need to write as well.... but I dont think you or my writing some rules are going to fly
LOL I think you took what I said wrong. I meant that once they came up with the right general idea of how it should be, I would write it for their approval. I think someone very familiar with the problem would need to do it. The definition as written currently still says mine is a trunk and the rules say trunk cars don't live by the wall test. In my car I could run a full wall and be legal for any street class and even NW, by that logic. That's not fair either. I would like to see the wall test done the same as the other org (by the back window) for ease of testing and other reasons in this thread but if not for all cars atleast non-convetional trunk cars.
quote:Originally posted by H-O-Alts-Rick: I found a sales flyer where they called a "larger trunk " . Can you send me a link or copy of the document you speak of? You may have to PM it, I have a feeling this post is about to get deleted or locked.
I must apologize...the term "Completely enclosed trunk" applies to the convertable edition of the Corvette. However, in searching for a tangible proof, I found out something that I was unaware of. 1982 was the first year the Corvette was offered as a hatchback. All pre-82 models were only available with a trunk. While there are several resources on the internet that validate this information, I am unable to locate an original data sheet that has this information.
quote:Originally posted by H-O-Alts-Rick: In my car I could run a full wall and be legal for any street class and even NW, by that logic.
Incorrect. If the trunk is defined by the rear deck, then only the space underneath that deck would be considered the trunk.
If you build an enclosure to be placed in the trunk, then it must fit underneath that rear deck.
While the vacant space between the seats and the rear deck could be used for storage, it would not be considered part of the trunk, and therefore could not be used for speaker enclosure placement..
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