quote:Originally posted by dBSteve: Just because no one has responded does not mean that the Judges do not read or listen to the competitors.
I would assume the reason that nothing has been mentioned between the judges is that they feel that the battery issue is not a problem. If they felt it was a problem it would have been discussed.
Just a few months ago the judges did have a problem
I believe Jay quoted Tor on his feelings in an earlier post.
....and just because the judges don't see a problem doesn't mean there isn't a problem. The competitors have just as much, if not more of a right to have an influence in the rules of this organization as the judges do.
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First off there is no way of know if someone is using multi-cell batteries. The first one I made was acctually in a standard battery case. I had a "display battery" sitting here and filled it with cells. The "display" was just an empty case used at shows for display purposes. It was just the easiest way of building one. If I had used this in a car the only way you would know is to cut the top off.
quote:Originally posted by H-O-Alts-Rick: First off there is no way of know if someone is using multi-cell batteries. The first one I made was acctually in a standard battery case. I had a "display battery" sitting here and filled it with cells. The "display" was just an empty case used at shows for display purposes. It was just the easiest way of building one. If I had used this in a car the only way you would know is to cut the top off.
if they ban them their is a way. when at finals if they notice the voltage drop just isnt their and if the battery looks in any way tempered then they can find another competitor with the same battery and first weigh it if its off by say more then a lb and if the voltage drop just isnt their compared to the same battery.
then they open it. and if it is a multi cell battery then they ban the person for life!
quote:Originally posted by H-O-Alts-Rick: First off there is no way of know if someone is using multi-cell batteries. The first one I made was acctually in a standard battery case. I had a "display battery" sitting here and filled it with cells. The "display" was just an empty case used at shows for display purposes. It was just the easiest way of building one. If I had used this in a car the only way you would know is to cut the top off.
OOOoow Rick , dont play to much with battery's It can be dangerous
@ all Street competitors : goodluck in this matter
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I never exposed the internals to heat or anything else as far as that goes. Infact everything I do to them is done in a manner that is approved by the cell manufacturer.
quote:Originally posted by H-O-Alts-Rick: First off there is no way of know if someone is using multi-cell batteries. The first one I made was acctually in a standard battery case. I had a "display battery" sitting here and filled it with cells. The "display" was just an empty case used at shows for display purposes. It was just the easiest way of building one. If I had used this in a car the only way you would know is to cut the top off.
if they ban them their is a way. when at finals if they notice the voltage drop just isnt their and if the battery looks in any way tempered then they can find another competitor with the same battery and first weigh it if its off by say more then a lb and if the voltage drop just isnt their compared to the same battery.
then they open it. and if it is a multi cell battery then they ban the person for life!
theirs most likely eazier ways but thats one way.
The weight is an easy thing to fix(cells are light) all a person would need to do is add weight to theirs. Besides are you going to know the weight of every battery made?
As for the voltage drop they are on peak hold as in checking to see if the voltage is to high, not to low. Besides how are the judges going to know how much of a drop would indicate multi-cell batteries are being used?
As for cutting them open to check them,what happens when they find out it is a regular battery?Who pays for the replacement??
As for the part about anyone caught running them gets banned for life......THANKS SERIOUSLY I NEEDED THE LAUGH,IT'S BEEN A STRESSFULL DAY. This next part is not a slam in anyway towards anyone,he has done his time. So don't take this wrong but, if people don't get banned from finals for putting them in amps I am sure they wouldn't get banned for life for putting them in their batteries.
quote:Originally posted by H-O-Alts-Rick: The weight is an easy thing to fix(cells are light) all a person would need to do is add weight to theirs. Besides are you going to know the weight of every battery made?
well if their is no space after craming 100 or [so cells into the case how would you add weight to it?
also how many batteries are used in street? 2150 yellow top kinitek eagle picher nsb 90 or 3100
doesnt seem like alot of batteries to me
quote:As for the voltage drop they are on peak hold as in checking to see if the voltage is to high, not to low. Besides how are the judges going to know how much of a drop would indicate multi-cell batteries are being used?
it will be quite obvious if say you show up with a 2150 and its sitting at 13.8 and only drops to say 12 volts with 4 big amps on one battery
quote:As for cutting them open to check them,what happens when they find out it is a regular battery?Who pays for the replacement??
who pays for stuff when we blow stuff up 200 battery wont hurt that bad plus it will be at the end of the season at finals most if not all competitors get new battery's after finals
oh yah theirs also a battery tester taht snap on and other companies sell that cost anywhere from 100++
that will tell you cca,ca,internal resistance,voltage and more
eazy 30 second test compare 2-3 batteries one is way higher then that should be a sign of tempering.
like i said im not the smartest person on here by far when it comes to these sort of things their is better ways but your just being ignorant and thinking its impossible for the judges to find out
quote:Originally posted by 1LOUDSUV: like i said im not the smartest person on here by far when it comes to these sort of things their is better ways but your just being ignorant and thinking its impossible for the judges to find out[/b]
I dont beleive I never said it couldn't be tested. What I was saying was it would be more difficult and I don't see them bothering.
It's funny because every year or so some new product comes around and a bunch of people freak out and take years off their lives worrying about how it's going to ruin the street classes. The Crown amp's,the 20,000watt rockford amp that only draws 50amps ,Big Amp Batteries(AKA Eagle Pitcher), and now these are just a few examples. All of these were the thing that was going to be the end of street classes. Guess what, none of them will or have. I don't know of anybody even using the first 2 in street classes.
quote:Originally posted by Chmielewski: hmmm....... who pays if somebody has to open his amp because its suppossed that he installed small batteries there??????
u lose guarantee by opening your amp Who pays it?
Atleast amps are screwed together so they can be put back together. Battery cases are usually melted together and can't be put back together properly.
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I have said nothing on this thread cuz its supposed to be for votes, not discussion.
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and you posted making fun of someone who is trying to keep the post on topic, while you are trying to take it off the topic. I'm not sure I see the difference...
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Nay on battery....Yay on IBTL popcorn and beer
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Honest truth: I lost 3 tenths from a NSB 90 to a DD Battery. No BS...no games...no lies. It cost me $1300 to learn this. If they had banned the multicell batteries before finals...I would have saved $1300.
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There was a post made in the judges forum about 4 months ago addressing this issue. 5 out of 6 judges that responded did not have a problem with these types of batteries. Also, Wayne has always said, as long as its 12 volts and under 800 cubic inches, he didn't care.
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