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Dude I don't understand what you are asking me because you can't cut the floor in NW but I agree with Mr Bump about cutting the floor behind the B pillar on an even level with the floor board. So you would have an even floor from front to back. This would give ample room for equipment and room to grow in the class for score.
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quote:Originally posted by Chmielewski: The thing is that all NW-pandas were legal the last both years...... and now u get told that your car is illegal. Thats really crappy for that competitors
Thats the thing, they have been seriously pushing the rules.
Push the rules too far and they push back.
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Panda with no weight, all equip needs to be below the red line, lower than the rear side windows by about an inch, I guess, at the back.
this is a verry wrong picture to use for drawing that red line!!! It's a 4x4 panda an it's back suspension is much higher than a normal panda , and even more than a marbella. A 4x4 panda hes a spring suspension in the back, as do some younger panda's, but older panda's and all the marbella's have a "blade" suspension which are originaly lower in the back than the spring suspention one's. So i don't think that u can draw a uniform line, because there are difrent "models" in the panda's and marbella's and only one type has been messured for making this "socalled clarification". This doesn't seem to be wright according to me.
Some quick mesuring in my empty marbella seems to show that the point of the screws in the back is way below the wall line. So i don't think that u can use a same point for difrent makes, types and models of cars. the car the judges used to take masurements is a "new" model panda which has a completely difrent interior ans suspention than older panda's and marbella's so these points can never be used to judge older models or difrent brands of cars! It would be the same to say the first model CRX and the second are the same just because they are both called crx.
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Sorry Tom, it was the only side on pic I could find on Google and is just to show the basics
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Panda with no weight, all equip needs to be below the red line, lower than the rear side windows by about an inch, I guess, at the back.
this is a verry wrong picture to use for drawing that red line!!! It's a 4x4 panda an it's back suspension is much higher than a normal panda , and even more than a marbella. A 4x4 panda hes a spring suspension in the back, as do some younger panda's, but older panda's and all the marbella's have a "blade" suspension which are originaly lower in the back than the spring suspention one's. So i don't think that u can draw a uniform line, because there are difrent "models" in the panda's and marbella's and only one type has been messured for making this "socalled clarification". This doesn't seem to be wright according to me.
Some quick mesuring in my empty marbella seems to show that the point of the screws in the back is way below the wall line. So i don't think that u can use a same point for difrent makes, types and models of cars. the car the judges used to take masurements is a "new" model panda which has a completely difrent interior ans suspention than older panda's and marbella's so these points can never be used to judge older models or difrent brands of cars! It would be the same to say the first model CRX and the second are the same just because they are both called crx.
x2!
For example, with a marbella or older panda, the frontwindows don't open "completly", the front piece is attached to the door. So the lower most point is farther back dan newer panda's and not at the same level!
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quote:Originally posted by RFKANGOO: I have 2 questions why do you use the screw and not the top of the plastic plate or the hatch because when you have the backseat in you should be able to build up to the hatch or am I wrong about that
and another question about no-wall what if you use a sedan (trunkcar) can you build up to the trunk or not it will be above the wall line in some cars like the old jetta or some volvo's
In Pandas the hatch has nothing to do with this... Take a look in a Smart, and see were the Hatch is in that car, and look at a "dB Drag Racing street" Smart...
This is the "funny rule" in dB Drag: If you build in a old Jetta, and for example Volvo S40, and you have the box in the TRUNK ONLY, you can build up to the hatch...
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quote:Originally posted by RFKANGOO: and what about other cars ?? every no-wall car I have seen is build to the windowline from front to the rear and now it is not allowed in a panda ?? but it's still allowed in other cars ??
If there are cars that have the box taller than the "lowest point on the front doors, were the side window go down into the door" it will be ruled the same...
Its not the rear side windows that count, like the NW pandas in Sinsheim had the boxes up to...
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quote:Originally posted by RFKANGOO: and what about the world record that has been done with an "old style" no-wall panda ??? is it still the record it is a 163.5 done by filippi
you forgot 1 tor
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quote:Originally posted by RFKANGOO: and what about the world record that has been done with an "old style" no-wall panda ??? is it still the record it is a 163.5 done by filippi
you forgot 1 tor
We have decided that the old record shall be the record, because this was also a judges misstake...
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quote:Originally posted by RFKANGOO: and what about the world record that has been done with an "old style" no-wall panda ??? is it still the record it is a 163.5 done by filippi
you forgot 1 tor
We have decided that the old record shall be the record, because this was also a judges misstake...
What a joke!!!!!!!! So we don't need a "rule" book annymore,because the the "rules" keep on changing during the season,and the "judges" keep on making "mistakes" Like i said....what a joke!!
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quote:Originally posted by RFKANGOO: and what about the world record that has been done with an "old style" no-wall panda ??? is it still the record it is a 163.5 done by filippi
you forgot 1 tor
We have decided that the old record shall be the record, because this was also a judges misstake...
Wath a joke!!!!!!!! So we don't need a "rule" book annymore,because the the "rules" keep on changing during the season,and the "judges" keep on making "mistakes" Like i said....wath a joke!!
The rules havnt changed at all.
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I was wondering if the nw hight is also the same for street boxes . I guess it is now . So i think some may want to change there box before Eurofinals or the next 3x event .
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NW and Street box heights have always been the same.
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Yes i know , but there is alot off NW talk without telling the other street competitors it will be judged the same . It always sounds easy to assume people know , until its eurofinals .
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