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The certified judges committee has discussed the damping material issue, and after a lot of discussion we have found out the following:
All new damping materials has to be approved/certified by the certified judges committee before it can be used in a dB Drag Racing event. If a manufactory has made a “new kind” of damping material, that may have some “new” substance in it, that has nothing to do with ordinary damping materials, (like for example fibreglass) the manufactory need to send in a sample of the product to one of the certified judges for approval, the approval of new damping products will follow the ordinary rules and cut of dates for car audio products used in dB Drag Racing.
We, the judges, think that this will be the most easy and fair method to rule this, and we have, the last years just had a few new damping material products on the marked that has been questionable, so we don’t think it will be hard to follow it up. We, the judges, also think that this will prevent “competitors” to make damping materials under their “own brand” just to find grey areas in the rules about damping, because they will probably not get the damping material certified and they will lose money on research and development.
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Do we need to send samples of materials such as Dynamat, Brown bread, etc. that has been deemed legal in the past? Can we get a list of the already "approved" damping material?
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quote:Originally posted by Shedluv: Do we need to send samples of materials such as Dynamat, Brown bread, etc. that has been deemed legal in the past? Can we get a list of the already "approved" damping material?
"Regular" damping material that has been used in the past is problaby okey, (like Dynamat extreme and Brown Bread "extreme look alike") But all paste and other "questionable" damping products need to be certified.
If you know of any "questionable" material, please help us (the judges) and send me and e-mail to tor@dbdragracing.no
I hope that everybody understand that we need to do this so that the damping issue don't "get out of hand" .
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Sounds like a good idea. I would like to see a random sample bought rather then a sample sent in. I know that other orgs that use power ratings have noticed a difference between the sample they recieved and an amplifier they bought at a retail outlet.
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quote:Originally posted by Empire Audio-Mike: Sounds like a good idea. I would like to see a random sample bought rather then a sample sent in. I know that other orgs that use power ratings have noticed a difference between the sample they recieved and an amplifier they bought at a retail outlet.
We know this, therefor there is no power rating in dB Drag Racing
quote:Originally posted by Empire Audio-Mike: Sounds like a good idea. I would like to see a random sample bought rather then a sample sent in. I know that other orgs that use power ratings have noticed a difference between the sample they recieved and an amplifier they bought at a retail outlet.
We know this, therefor there is no power rating in dB Drag Racing
We are getting samples from all over the world...
Have you seen Magic Mate 400 in person well enough to make a ruling on it, or do you need someone to send you a sample?
Also, when judging a material like MM400 or the dbBlue will it be tested/examined in it's applied state or in it's 'complete/cured' state?
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Also how do you know if something has been added. If its a paste than anything can be added to it after the fact. No one would ever know. Thats why I think that unless its a mat deadner than it shouldnt be legal.
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I have a question on all spray based dampning.
Is there a process in place to measure the applied thickness? I was wondering how a judge will measure that the dampning isn't too thick across the panel.
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quote:Originally posted by boommerextreme: Also how do you know if something has been added. If its a paste than anything can be added to it after the fact. No one would ever know. Thats why I think that unless its a mat deadner than it shouldnt be legal.
Well, its up to the competitors to FOLLOW the rulebook, we can't inspect EVERY car at at show, BUT if we are going to find a damping material that is not legal, you are getting a big DQ, and we may use section 11 and 12 in the rulebook...
If YOU or other competitors want, its easy to cheat in almost all sports. For example in dB Drag Racing, its pretty easy to hide a extra battery in a street car, BUT if judges find that, you are out, trust me.... And in my opinion its the same about damping matterial.
quote:Originally posted by Empire Audio-Mike: I have a question on all spray based dampning.
Is there a process in place to measure the applied thickness? I was wondering how a judge will measure that the dampning isn't too thick across the panel.
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I wouldnt do it nor will I use it. I was just stateing a fact that it would be easy to do. I have never cheated but have seen many ways too. I just think if this paste is allowed it is going to open a door to other companys to make something too. Then its going to get out of control. just my 2cents.
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quote:Originally posted by boommerextreme: Also how do you know if something has been added. If its a paste than anything can be added to it after the fact. No one would ever know. Thats why I think that unless its a mat deadner than it shouldnt be legal.
Oh really, how do I know you didn't peal the aluminum backing off of your mat deadener and spread a layer of fiberglass on and put the backing on top of it LOL hahahahaha.
If it has fiberglass or cement or something that becomes rock hard it should be illegal. But that elemental designs blue paste is really thin and is not very strong. But I don't think it has glass in it so it should be legal.
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Samples has been sent off to the judge for testing.
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Hagmans (big paint and other cemical products manufactor) has something called "Tysten" (it´s a Swedish "word" and translated it´s almost the same as "The Silence"), it´s made for spraying under the sink to reduce the water noise. I have heard that this is the same or allmost the same as Noise Killer but without the blue color in it. The price is lower than on Noise Killer. Will stuff like that be leagal? It´s made for deadning metal but not in cars... I guess it´s gonna be illeagal, but it doesn´t hurt to ask.
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