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Audiobahn A18001DT's they come with a link cable from the factory.
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If they came from the factory with a Audiobahn link cable and are designed to be strapped then I would say yes. I have not personally seen one ( or two ) of these amplifers used in competition this way so with out seeing exactly what your talking about woudl be a stretch.
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If the two amplifiers are strapped and are in Street A,B, or C here is what the rules say....
Street Division ·Street A Class – A maximum of 1 subwoofer amplifier (or 2 externally bridged monoblock amplifiers) may be used. A maximum TOTAL of 2 electrical conductors may be used to connect the amplifier(s) to the woofer(s). (Please see the definitions section for more detail regarding conductors.) *********************
Its the same for B and C, just didnt want to paste it all.
All that changes is the number of them you can have (B= 4 Monoblock amps and C= 8 Monoblock amps).
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Did some research and a monoblock amp is of course a one channel only amp. Allthough on Audiobahn's website it never says its a "Monoblock amp" it does show the rating only in "one channel" (see pic below).... so technicly the Audiobahn A18001DT is a Monoblock amp and can be strapped together and you can use 2 of them in the Street A.
quote:Originally posted by David McLean: As long as you are strapping monoblock amps, regardless of the method you use to strap them, you are legal.
dB Drag Racing rules do not dictate the method you can or cannot use to strap amps.
Of course all other rules must be followed too, such as the conductor rule.
It's a no brainer.
Answer – The dBDRA classifies monoblock amplifiers as amplifiers that are mono in nature, have a single input, have a single output (2 conductors), and that have the capability to be bridged with another monoblock amplifier. (One monoblock amplifier will drive the positive conductor to the loudspeaker load and the complimentary monoblock amplifier will drive the negative conducto
i read this has a bit dictateing the method
so you cant run the + of one amp to the + to the other amp and then run those +'s to the + of the ((SUB)) and do the same for the - right
seem if you tried this something would brake but what other ways can you link two amps together?
if the amp does not come with slave master mode or a rca jack or daily chain to link the two together can you still link them?
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Well how about High Current Amps??? They have 1 input and 1 out put. Like the SPL 5000s I can link them with 1 wire to the Neg. and 1 wire to the pos. So are they legal to link or not???
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quote:Originally posted by David McLean: As long as you are strapping monoblock amps, regardless of the method you use to strap them, you are legal.
dB Drag Racing rules do not dictate the method you can or cannot use to strap amps.
Of course all other rules must be followed too, such as the conductor rule.
It's a no brainer.
quote:Answer – The dBDRA classifies monoblock amplifiers as amplifiers that are mono in nature, have a single input, have a single output (2 conductors), and that have the capability to be bridged with another monoblock amplifier. (One monoblock amplifier will drive the positive conductor to the loudspeaker load and the complimentary monoblock amplifier will drive the negative conductor
Actually the dB Drag Racing rules DO dictate the method you can or cannot use to strap amps. The rules are simple enough. The rules are written to keep people from buying these 'boxes' to attach multiple amplifers too and run with 2 conductors. The rule was written to allow cheaper bridgable amps to be used by strapping them as the rules say, from eachother. If we allow these 'boxes' to be used where you can attach 2, 4 or 8 amplifiers to and make 2 conductors we're defeating the purpose of the rule.
Now THAT is a no brainer
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quote:Originally posted by David McLean: As long as you are strapping monoblock amps, regardless of the method you use to strap them, you are legal.
dB Drag Racing rules do not dictate the method you can or cannot use to strap amps.
Of course all other rules must be followed too, such as the conductor rule.
It's a no brainer.
quote:Answer – The dBDRA classifies monoblock amplifiers as amplifiers that are mono in nature, have a single input, have a single output (2 conductors), and that have the capability to be bridged with another monoblock amplifier. (One monoblock amplifier will drive the positive conductor to the loudspeaker load and the complimentary monoblock amplifier will drive the negative conductor
Actually the dB Drag Racing rules DO dictate the method you can or cannot use to strap amps. The rules are simple enough. The rules are written to keep people from buying these 'boxes' to attach multiple amplifers too and run with 2 conductors. The rule was written to allow cheaper bridgable amps to be used by strapping them as the rules say, from eachother. If we allow these 'boxes' to be used where you can attach 2, 4 or 8 amplifiers to and make 2 conductors we're defeating the purpose of the rule.
Now THAT is a no brainer
Please explain these "Boxes"...What do they look like.. who makes them?
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quote:Originally posted by David McLean: As long as you are strapping monoblock amps, regardless of the method you use to strap them, you are legal.
dB Drag Racing rules do not dictate the method you can or cannot use to strap amps.
Of course all other rules must be followed too, such as the conductor rule.
It's a no brainer.
quote:Answer – The dBDRA classifies monoblock amplifiers as amplifiers that are mono in nature, have a single input, have a single output (2 conductors), and that have the capability to be bridged with another monoblock amplifier. (One monoblock amplifier will drive the positive conductor to the loudspeaker load and the complimentary monoblock amplifier will drive the negative conductor
Actually the dB Drag Racing rules DO dictate the method you can or cannot use to strap amps. The rules are simple enough. The rules are written to keep people from buying these 'boxes' to attach multiple amplifers too and run with 2 conductors. The rule was written to allow cheaper bridgable amps to be used by strapping them as the rules say, from eachother. If we allow these 'boxes' to be used where you can attach 2, 4 or 8 amplifiers to and make 2 conductors we're defeating the purpose of the rule.
Now THAT is a no brainer
Please explain these "Boxes"...What do they look like.. who makes them?
There was a manufacture that had some at dB Drag Finals. I don't rememeber the booth. The device allows ANY amplifer to be attached to it. It has its own outputs. This device allows multiple amps, 2, 4, 8 or whatever to be attached too it and still have 2 conductors coming out. I can try and do some more research on it.
I would say using this kind of device ( even though you would still have 2 conductors ) would be against the rules.
Amplifiers that were originally designed by the manufacture to be strapped are the only ones we should allow to be ran in street.
You'll also notice in the rule book it says that only 2 amplifers may be attached to 1 coil. This rule was put in place to make sure those types of boxes/devices are not used.
Let me know if you need more information.
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quote:You'll also notice in the rule book it says that only 2 amplifiers may be attached to 1 coil. This rule was put in place to make sure those types of boxes/devices are not used.
So if you have 4 coils in street A
If you say 2 amps per coil but still need to only have 2 conductors
You could run 8 amps with one of these boxes Well then you go to the limit of amps you can only have 2 amps in street a
So the only flaw would be if they take 4 amps in put them in one case then your back 2 amps
2 conductors
So with the Amp limit and conductor limit there should be no way around the rules for street class
In less companies put more then one amp in a case and use one of these boxes
Amplifiers that are constructed in such a way as to circumvent the amp quantity limitation may be prohibited from use in this division or may count as multiple amplifiers.
i think the rules are great
quote: Amplifiers that were originally designed by the manufacture to be strapped are the only ones we should allow to be ran in street.
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What about 14 "Judges will count all discrete physical amplifiers that are used for bass reproduction, regardless of size ... Judges will not classify amplifiers based on their internal construction or pc board quantity."
quote:Originally posted by Team Toxik - Patrick: What about 14 "Judges will count all discrete physical amplifiers that are used for bass reproduction, regardless of size ... Judges will not classify amplifiers based on their internal construction or pc board quantity."
so, what is the problem with this section?
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quote:Originally posted by dBSteve: There was a manufacture that had some at dB Drag Finals. I don't rememeber the booth. The device allows ANY amplifer to be attached to it. It has its own outputs. This device allows multiple amps, 2, 4, 8 or whatever to be attached too it and still have 2 conductors coming out. I can try and do some more research on it.
I would say using this kind of device ( even though you would still have 2 conductors ) would be against the rules.
Amplifiers that were originally designed by the manufacture to be strapped are the only ones we should allow to be ran in street.
You'll also notice in the rule book it says that only 2 amplifers may be attached to 1 coil. This rule was put in place to make sure those types of boxes/devices are not used.
Let me know if you need more information. [/QB]
okay so now a compnay that took the time to develope something that competitors want AND made the effort to get a booth at finals is being left out do to your interpretation of the rules?.......they got the boot, thus putting money into dbdrag, and now their product is not going to be allowed?.....makes good sense to me
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the new rule for having amps strapped and allowing more amps in street class, didn't even exist at the time they got thier booth at world finals.
i'm sure thier product was conceived, manufactured, and marketed for classes that did and would allow such a device, as well as street beaters that could benefit from it.
i highly doubt they created something for a class that it wouldn't be allowed to be used in anyway.
and i dont see how its "his" interpretation of the rules. i read several different points in the rule book that would dissalow such a thing.
the rule wasclearly for amps that are MEANT to be strappable, from the factory. if you need an external device to do it, then they aren't strappable amps - from the factory.
my cheapo dei's came with a master slave switch, and an input/output jack. so one controls the other. one feeds pos and the other feeds neg. that's strappable.
here are a few quotes, that make the rules very clear to me....
A maximum of 1 subwoofer amplifier (or 2 externally bridged monoblock amplifiers) may be used. A maximum TOTAL of 2 electrical conductors may be used to connect the amplifier(s) to the woofer(s). (Please see the definitions section for more detail regarding conductors.)
Question – What is a “monoblock” amplifier?
Answer – The dBDRA classifies monoblock amplifiers as amplifiers that are mono in nature, have a single input, have a single output (2 conductors), and that have the capability to be bridged with another monoblock amplifier. (One monoblock amplifier will drive the positive conductor to the loudspeaker load and the complimentary monoblock amplifier will drive the negative conductor to the loudspeaker load.)
if a pair of amps cant be strapped on thier own, and they require the use of an external module to be strapped, then they do not have the capability to be strapped, as the db drag definition classifies it.
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quote:Originally posted by Team Urban ArtFX - PornStar: if a pair of amps cant be strapped on thier own, and they require the use of an external module to be strapped, then they do not have the capability to be strapped, as the db drag definition classifies it.
so memphis 1000's cannot be strapped according to you then......but with the use of the memphis bridging module they can. what about mtx 81000d's......alone they are unstrappable, but with a crossover to switch phase, they can. so an external module that you could use driving up and down the road in a normal way like mondo bass down the street does is illegal in dbDrag. hrmmmm, i think it is all getting clear to me.
i understand what the intent of the rule is, but special note of devices like this should have been made in the rule book. do not leave it up to the judges to inform, whne they are not even all on the same page. if you dont get what i mean, look above, david didnt know what steve was talking about. get my point now?
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"i" dont dictate what can and cant be strapped. "i" dont dictate what is and isnt legal. "i" simply read the rules the way they are written.
i understand completely where you are coming from, and i agree 100%
as far as judges not all being on the same page.. again, i agree 100% - i was at finals, i know all about the "collosus scandal" it would be NICE to know that ALL judges are on the same page on everything.
i personally dont care who runs what. woudlnt matter to me if someone ran 1 amp or 50 amps, they still only have one battery.
but the way the rule is written, and the way the q&a setion defines how dbdrag classifies amps, tells me, that if an amp is not strappable with another amp, without the help of any external source, then its not strappable.
if thats not the case, then i would love to have an official word on it.
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Any Strapple amp MUST BE a monoblock amp. You cannot strap two stereo amps together. THEY MUST BE MONOBLOCK!! Easy as pie.
A Monoblock amp is a "one channel amp" that IS NOT a stereo amp. So in other words you cannot hook up two stereo amps with "the box". They have to be a ONE CHANNEL MONOBLOCK AMP.
Done.
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You can use a memphis bridging module to bridge memphis amps. You can use a mtx crossover thing to strap mtx amps. You cant use it to strap other amps because it wasn't intended to do so.
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quote:Originally posted by Broken Silence - Johnny: You can use a memphis bridging module to bridge memphis amps. You can use a mtx crossover thing to strap mtx amps. You cant use it to strap other amps because it wasn't intended to do so.
but what if you got something intended to bridge everything that is a mono block
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quote:Originally posted by Broken Silence - Johnny: You can use a memphis bridging module to bridge memphis amps. You can use a mtx crossover thing to strap mtx amps. You cant use it to strap other amps because it wasn't intended to do so.
but what if you got something intended to bridge everything that is a mono block
Is it made by the manufacturer of the amps you are bridging?
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quote:Originally posted by Broken Silence - Johnny:
quote:Originally posted by DD4me:
quote:Originally posted by Broken Silence - Johnny: You can use a memphis bridging module to bridge memphis amps. You can use a mtx crossover thing to strap mtx amps. You cant use it to strap other amps because it wasn't intended to do so.
but what if you got something intended to bridge everything that is a mono block
Is it made by the manufacturer of the amps you are bridging?
actually it isnt but it does say universal briding module. and reads on the back only use on mono block amps. no more then 3000 watts it doesnt even have a brand lol.
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