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ok i currently have the Focal polyglass 165V3e (i believe is the model number) component set and to be honest i have blown two pairs while following my installer guidlines as far as volume so i dont think its my fault but im tired of it. The second pair just went hamas on my ass today went up in flames which was pretty cool. . So i want to look into other high end component sets..what does MB Quart have on the hgih end side im lookin to spend 650 per component set or what else do you recommend for that price.
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oh and i dont want just ear piercing highs i want all around sound quality with loudness like the focals (without the hamas part)soooo i was thinkin boston acoustics or mb quart..are there any others
thakns again guys!
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ok well i didnt see fire but i definalty saw smoke it was billowing out of my AC vents and now NONE of my speakers works and im giving them their rated rms soo wtf?! The install is perfect i just think they are not what i had expected i mean i love the ay they sound and they can get loud but they just dont last very long..hell i had pioneer 4x6's that lasted in my car for over a year and still work but i cant keep these 650 dollar components more than 3 months what the hell..'
sorry for the rant but i am in need of some recomendations on some other high end components like i listed earlier
thanks
matt
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same thing blew the first time except it was the passenger side that blew now its the whole damn thing i got brand new ones straight from focal and boom the same prob except its all of them this time you should have seen the smoke it was comin out of every AC vent..damn
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quote:Originally posted by deaf tones: just the mid? were you using the passive crossovers that came with the set? or did you go active xover?
i used the xovers that came with the set and the whole thing is ****ed ..both mids the 4"s and the tweeters..i have no idea what happened
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quote:Originally posted by deaf tones: just the mid? were you using the passive crossovers that came with the set? or did you go active xover?
i used the xovers that came with the set and the whole thing is ****ed ..both mids the 4"s and the tweeters..i have no idea what happened
welp, there goes my 'crossed over too low' hypothesis.
on to the next....
when you say "the whole thing is ****ed".....are the passives still good?
what i'm getting at is this:
companies rate their comp sets at XXXwatts...sure the speakers can handle the power...but if you pop open them passives you'll find a lot of companies use 50v caps in them. Most amps capable of putting out that XXXwatts will most definitely put out MORE than 50volts on the rails.
> 50volts on the rails to the passives (with 50v caps) = crispy.
Beyond that is air flow to those passives....they get pretty damn hot. you'd be surprised how bad they can/do melt & burn up.
Where i'm going with all this is...if the passives burned up...that'd be my guess as to why my sh1t broke.
IF the passives are still in perfect working order i'd look elsewhere...
next would be...were those mids in an kind of enclosure? Or were they just screwed into the stock locations in some kind of IB/freeair setup?
Why I ask this is:
did focal rate those speakers to accept XXXwatts IN THE RECOMMEND ENCLOSURE? Or did they rate them IB/freeair?
In that same respect...did they design those passives with the recommended enclosure in mind?
I'd put money on the fact that if you hook up that set (w/passives) and give them that XXXwatts while just sitting on the floor (no enclosure)...they'd bottom out with the volume turned up and eventually kill the suspension if not fry.
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something that was not addressed, what amp do you have powering the focals? Reason i ask is i wonder if you were clipping the crap outa your deck and feeding em bad signal?
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ah i just read your sig..thats perfect power, what i wonder is how were the highpass crossovers set? I am very familiar with pioneer decks, what volume did your installer say was "safe" or "for very loud" like if you were to turn it up really loud to rock out what number would the pioneer be at between 0 and 60 on the volume knob.
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thats wierd...focals are pretty good...but...
try dls iridium or nobellium
or the boston z6 ...
dynaudio got some good components too
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quote:Originally posted by mike hatt: ah i just read your sig..thats perfect power, what i wonder is how were the highpass crossovers set? I am very familiar with pioneer decks, what volume did your installer say was "safe" or "for very loud" like if you were to turn it up really loud to rock out what number would the pioneer be at between 0 and 60 on the volume knob.
ok i have the volume set at 56/62 on the head unit but thats only because i have the audiocontrol 3.1 installed that i use as my master volume knob and i was told not to put it past 2/3 of the way up and i dont i was listening to it at prolly half when they blew on me..and deaf tones no i have not checked to see if the passives are ****ed and the 6.5 were in a baffled enclose in the stock location in the doors of my s-10 ext cab the 4's and tweets were in the stock location where the 4x6 used to be on the dash they just made a baffle that fits in the 4x6 place and cut out holes to fit the 4's and tweets right next to each other on top of the dash..hope that helps
if all else fails and they just crapped out what other comp sets do you recommend
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Look into the polk audio sr6500, you might have alittle more power than they need but its nothing a gain cant fix. you mentioed you dont want ear piercing highs, so why did you choose the focals ??
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quote:Originally posted by ---Navi---: Look into the polk audio sr6500, you might have alittle more power than they need but its nothing a gain cant fix. you mentioed you dont want ear piercing highs, so why did you choose the focals ??
because focals are loud all around they have Loud mid range and mibass and highs. i dont want JUST ear piecing highs i want loud all around, full range sound and they delivered if they wouldnt blow all the damn time....
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a good example of just earpiercing highs and hardly any range...Eminence or dayton (knck off eminence) sorry to anyone who has them but they just dont sound that good thats what im trying to stay away from Navi.
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i had the same thing happen to me twice with jl xr650 sets. it was installed on a stock location that wasn't air tight. when i got my focal utopias i made sure there isn't any air leaking out by making a mdf ring. now i can turn the volume up real high and no problem.
btw, do you have the loud button onyou hu on? in some cases the loud button can make mid speakers blow.
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quote:Originally posted by ---Navi---: Look into the polk audio sr6500, you might have alittle more power than they need but its nothing a gain cant fix. you mentioed you dont want ear piercing highs, so why did you choose the focals ??
because focals are loud all around they have Loud mid range and mibass and highs. i dont want JUST ear piecing highs i want loud all around, full range sound and they delivered if they wouldnt blow all the damn time....
If they were "loud" all around you wouldn't be having the ear peircing problem, that is due to the lack of balance in the freq response (which could be bad crossover points if you are active, or lack of linearity as volume goes up)
Its like the Morel Supremo phenomenon, louder from 12.5k on up so the lack of balance in the driver's range renders it unpleasant if not treated.
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i dont have ear peiercing problems with the focals i loved the way they sound and no i didnt have the loud button on or the eq ex button that is on pioneer HU's.
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ok you guys are prolly gonna beat me but i found out what the probl;em was the gains were set too high.....i know i know why didnt i check that before i have no idea..but i got a brand new set comin straight from focal sooo im happy...thanks for all of ya'lls comments
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