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All JL products are sold at MAP pricing, no ifs ands or buts...if you want to keep your dealership, then you sell the product at that price.
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Hey Winslow....ya Car Stereo Warehouse is a cluster-fu#*....seems like half their stock is "2nd-hand goods"...AKA...stuff that got jacked out of some poor fool's car....lol. Oh well. Haven't ventured to the Gastonia store yet. Do go over to Infinite Audio quite frequently for NSPL shows...so might stop by and see the shop...think theres a NSPL show at Infinite Audio in 3 weeks...and I know Ill be going.
Hey BTW...what is the "cut off" on JL takebacks usually at your store. I do compete quite often now since I got this new car and built this setup...and I have blown 2 w-3s since I bought my two in September of this yr. Have never been questioned....but just kinda nervous that one day they will say....thats it...youre cut off :P I would appreciate any info. Thanks!
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Cool that sounds good. I did have the box design approved by the Independence store. However, this month I am going to go ahead and fiberglass the subs to the back rear to have a more fluid install...and to increase the airspace to a sq. ft....based on JL's "DB Monster design." After that is done...do i need to stop by a store to have them check it out so I keep the warantee? Thanks for the help Winslow.
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quote:Originally posted by winslow: Because we the dealers have agreed to sell JL Audio at that price so not to undercut another authorized dealer.
Umm Winslow, this is called collusion, which is very illegal and can get you, your company and Jl Audio in a lot of trouble. I would reccomend watching what you print on this subject.
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yup. tweeter is the largest single jl dealer in the us last I was told. I sell jl's all day long and I can sell them for whatever price I want. but I really don't understand why everyone is crapping themselves over this sub for spl. think about it, a single 3 ohm coil. hmm.
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quote:Originally posted by ASEKent: Umm Winslow, this is called collusion, which is very illegal and can get you, your company and Jl Audio in a lot of trouble. I would reccomend watching what you print on this subject.
In the UK it's known as price fixing, companies that get caught for it face extremely heavy fines... may have a look...
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Why full retail? I mean, that is like a 'bend over' type of price. Are all the JL products sold at full retail or just stealthboxes
I don't believe the local JL dealer sells them at full retail. They do a better price on those. I think most manufacturers have a minimum that hte dealer must charge(and that is under full retail). The guys who own the local shop are friends of mine, and they mention that they sell at the minimum suggested price on, say, RF gear(same price as Crutchfield, Best Buy, etc).
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The price we sell JL and Eclipse at is determined by the manufacture...if I sell Eclipse less than what they set it as, we loose the dealership. I can sell JL less than that, but it takes managment approval...and you don't get it on JL.
Price fixing and colusion? I don't think so.
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quote:Originally posted by TrevorGolf: yup. tweeter is the largest single jl dealer in the us last I was told. I sell jl's all day long and I can sell them for whatever price I want. but I really don't understand why everyone is crapping themselves over this sub for spl. think about it, a single 3 ohm coil. hmm.
trevor did you buy them yet??
i cant wait to see someone burp one of these and the foam surround pops out of its retaining ring.
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The guys that talked about the price fixing thing sounded pretty right. Its very not legal to set a price at which no dealer can sell under, it eliminates competition which is one of the basis's of our country.
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I think price fixing/collusion might be a little off. There are authorized dealers for all kinds of products out there. The manufacturers set the price in most cases. If what they have been doing forever is illegal, I am quite sure it would have been dealt with by now.
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Bose must be in big trouble if enforcing MAP pricing is illegal. Ever tried to shop prices on BOSE? Check the ads this Sunday - all priced the same. It's fair market value/perceived value - not price fixing/collusion. If a group of brocolli growers (brand 'x' dealers) collectively decides to lower their prices with malicious inent to drive their competition (brand 'y' dealers) out of the local farmers market (retail market) - that is collusion/price fixing.
Collusion: A secret agreement between two or more parties for a fraudulent, illegal, or deceitful purpose.
Setting retail price guidelines in an effort to maintain your brands perceived value is not malicious, deceitful, fraudulent or illegal.
A manufacturer may also have the retailer in mind (really, they might!) when setting and ENFORCING MAP guidelines. If a retailer cant sell products at fair margins, how can they maintain (better yet - grow) their business.
Kent, if all of the JL dealers in Winslows area decided to collectively LOWER pricing in order to negatively impact all of the local Kicker dealers - that would be collusion. Having a group of retailers that choose to sell brands which maintain higher profit margins and sell at suggested retail is not collusion - its good business (or a pipe dream, depending on how you look at it!)
There is no way that protecting you brands perceived value in the market place should be considered collusion. Although, in the case of some brands, their opinion of their own percieved value should be considered criminal!
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dave, I didn't get one yet, because I don't get a price break yet. because they are hard to keep in stock. but soon.
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quote:Originally posted by winslow: Because we the dealers have agreed to sell JL Audio at that price so not to undercut another authorized dealer.
isn't that was sales competition is all about? good thing the whole country doesn't do that, or we'd all be broke and the economy would tumble. but i geuss it's Jl's risk, so it's all good
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There is no local dealer selling the 13.5s or the 1000/1s since there are none to sell at this time.
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