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Nomex
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5-6 Competition vehicles and auto sound systems may NOT be altered during competition at the Finals or at ANY multi-point event. Only damaged equipment may be replaced and the equipment being replaced may only be replaced with an equivalent component. The determination as to whether a product is an equivalent component shall be at the sole discretion of the dBDRA.

Exception:



· At the World Finals, components may only be replaced with an identical (exact replacement – same brand and model) component.



Additional Guidelines and Examples:



· This rule does not apply to source units or signal processors.

· The period of time from which alterations are prohibited begins with the start of the event (registration) and ends with the awards ceremony at the conclusion of the event.

· You may replace a broken 400-Watt amplifier with another brand’s 400-Watt amplifier. You may not replace a 400-Watt amp with a 1000-Watt amp. (The replacement amp’s rated output power must be within +/- 20% of the original amp’s rated output power.)

· You may adjust the tuning frequency of your enclosure by adjusting the enclosure’s vent. You may not rebuild or replace the enclosure.

· You may not rebuild or modify your vehicle’s interior.

This is the current rule, I suggest the following addition to the Additional guidelines:

Competitors may only exchange each piece of equipment once per show.

Example: A competitor in the Extreme 1 division blows his sub in the qualifying rounds. He is permitted to switch it. He blows the sub again in the semi-finals. He is not permitted to switch it a second time.


This would effectively limit the amount of power an individual or team could use. People could run 40,000w to a single subwoofer if they chose, however if the subwoofer blew up, they would be eliminated from competition.

This would also allow for the ban on quad coil woofers to be lifted, as they face similar power constraints as dual coil woofers.

In other forms of motorsports, they do this. For example, in daytona racing, teams are limited on the number of tires they get, and the number of engines they can use. If they push too hard and destroy all their tires, then they will not be able to finish. This allows for a more balanced race, where teams cannot use a superior budget and unlimited amounts of equipment as an advantage.

This would also help retailers, as teams could be more competitive with off the shelf components.

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Nomex
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No comments at all?

Come on guys, is there any reason any competitor should need to swap their equipment after every run? I don't think it's hard to make subs last for a whole show.

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I used the same subs for all of finals. I also used those same subs for about three shows before that. I don't think your idea is a good one though, just my opinion. Wouldn't it help retailers as well if people had to buy more subs? All the Kicker guys, myself included use "off the shelf" equipment, nothing special is made for us.....

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Yea but.... Sometimes we dont have the money to buy bunch of subs. If I were to have BLOWN my sub at finals I would have been out. I couldnt get a recone and I didnt have a spare. But if we could have switched a 18 with a 18 then "If" I would have lost a woofer I could have borrowed someone elses to go the rest of the show. Or If we dont have timr to recone before the next round we could do the same thing. So put your self in one of those positions before you say you dont want it changed it happened to somepeople this year.

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Well if no switches at all doesn't cut it, how about capping how many you can do? Like this:

. Competitors may only exchange each piece of equipment once per show.

Example: A competitor in the Extreme 1 division blows his sub in the qualifying rounds. He is permitted to switch it. He blows the sub again in the semi-finals. He is not permitted to switch it a second time.

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quote:
Originally posted by Nomex:
Well if no switches at all doesn't cut it, how about capping how many you can do? Like this:

. Competitors may only exchange each piece of equipment once per show.

Example: A competitor in the Extreme 1 division blows his sub in the qualifying rounds. He is permitted to switch it. He blows the sub again in the semi-finals. He is not permitted to switch it a second time.

I think that's a good ideal. there are people that know there are going to destroy subs to make it throgh rounds, but they have cash or a big sponsor to back them up.

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Bad idea.


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no!

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you wouldn't be able to enforce it ! and people will end up damaging more equipment this way i reckon, because they'll be "forced" to play with a half working vehicle in some instances.

My 2p

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quote:
Originally posted by zimsoundz:
you wouldn't be able to enforce it ! and people will end up damaging more equipment this way i reckon, because they'll be "forced" to play with a half working vehicle in some instances.

My 2p

Gordon

If you're blowing subs more than twice a show, then something is very very wrong. (Or overpowered immensly)


quote:
Originally posted by Neill Barber:
Bad idea.


NeillBarber

Because?

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quote:
Originally posted by Nomex:
quote:
Originally posted by zimsoundz:
you wouldn't be able to enforce it ! and people will end up damaging more equipment this way i reckon, because they'll be "forced" to play with a half working vehicle in some instances.

My 2p

Gordon

If you're blowing subs more than twice a show, then something is very very wrong. (Or overpowered immensly)


quote:
Originally posted by Neill Barber:
Bad idea.


NeillBarber

Because?

Nomex

this goes 10x for street...i can see it a few times in ss and EX...but you should not blow up subs in street....

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quote:
Originally posted by Nomex:
quote:
Originally posted by zimsoundz:
you wouldn't be able to enforce it ! and people will end up damaging more equipment this way i reckon, because they'll be "forced" to play with a half working vehicle in some instances.

My 2p

Gordon

If you're blowing subs more than twice a show, then something is very very wrong. (Or overpowered immensly)


Equipment failure happens, due to abuse or due to a limited life expectancy.

Not being able to replace equipment in a multi sub wall will result in inconsistant box loading and a high posibilty of blowing more equipment. Great.

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quote:
Originally posted by Mr Bump:
quote:
Originally posted by Nomex:
quote:
Originally posted by zimsoundz:
you wouldn't be able to enforce it ! and people will end up damaging more equipment this way i reckon, because they'll be "forced" to play with a half working vehicle in some instances.

My 2p

Gordon

If you're blowing subs more than twice a show, then something is very very wrong. (Or overpowered immensly)


Equipment failure happens, due to abuse or due to a limited life expectancy.

Not being able to replace equipment in a multi sub wall will result in inconsistant box loading and a high posibilty of blowing more equipment. Great.

I agree, if you've got the money to buy extra subs, then why should you be penalized. If someone can't afford extra subs, bring some recone kits. I know for the van we're working on....we'll have a spare woofer for every one that goes in the wall.

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If you read my second updated post, I suggested only 1 replacement per piece of equipment per show, thus allowing for possible equipment failure and people with the money to replace equipment, but also stopping people from shredding subs once a round to win and having a sponsor standing behind them with a pallet of fresh stuff.
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