quote:Originally posted by Hakeeb: here is the point alot of people are missing. How many companies advertize 152db street A. Not very many they advertize 175DB. If we do away with the higher classes we will also do away with alot of the factor support.
quote:Originally posted by VegaS10: Ok, so, how many customers have walked into Audio Extremes and said:
"Hey, I want a van like Mike Huges. I want something huge, cumbersome, not driveable, retails for tens of thousands of dollars, burps one note and sits in my driveway. I want it to look BEAUTIFUL, I want it to be FULL of amps and subs and fiberglass. But yeah, I don't want it to cruise or anything."
So, how much do you think that install would cost?
How many kids have come in and said "Hey, I want my system to be louder than this kid's at school. I want it to slam, but, I only have X amount of money".
I think I know the answer.
The small consumer is where the money is nowadays. The economy, jobs, and industry is'nt like it was back in 97 or 98 (I'm 30 and I know). I really wish there were more Steve Cottons, Alton's Audio cars, Jay Lovelaces (his street cars are badassed to).
But there is'nt.
So, we need to shift to where the consumers are.
Kids are'nt driving minitrucks anymore. tehy are'nt driving slammed astro's. They are driving (eek) Hondas. They want a place to compete. If we don't give them a place to compete (with their smaller systems), they will find another organization.
If it stays the same, we can all sit on the roof of Mike Hughes van and watch the Honda's, money, and future drive off to IASCA, USACI, or NSPL.
FYI.......2 guys walk into my store 2 weeks ago. One asked to see my competiton vehicle. Walked him to the back, opend the rear doors, he said" holy Shi-. I burped once, he dropped $6,600 and said make mine loud! no sales pitch, no brand request, he just let me use what I wanted!
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quote:Originally posted by jarfunkz: its weird, you got jason paulus' vehicle, but you made it less loud, i remember seeing a 68.4 with 4 mmats amps in that vehicle... but hey what do i know? i heard the fins did a good job to get a respectable number out of it, hats off to them.
x1 takes away from the real elaborate systems in extreme... when extreme cars were abundant back in the day, it was fine to have an extreme 1 vehicle. now times have change, it is time for regression. what used to separate dbdrag from everything else were the 9+ vehicles, the vehicles with 12 15" strokers. now that those days are gone, dbdrag has gone downhill... see any correllation with that? shall i continue with the history lesson?
For one you dont know **** about the car that I have the box that was in there worked great with the no dash on the passenger side. When the rules changed I couldnt get the car to do over a 161. Also I rebuilt the whole inside of the car. I had everything in the car right just had the wrong face plate in it. Also when Jason had it Quad Coils were legal. But I can see why you want more street Classes so you have a better chance to get to finals. Dont be mad. Not everyone can get loud enough to get there.
billi has done a hell of a job with that car. Last i checked i could only muster a 68+ once with the car with a brand new sub, mostly mid 67 is where the car sat when it was sold, minus the dash atleast 1 full db. so 66s billie is really 2-3 db louder with about the same power hell of a job you ask me.
I missing the logic here if the big class (12 stokers as you term it) is gone Why would we want to eliminate the 4th biggest class would that not takes us back evan more?
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Thanks Jason Im glad finaly someones not always trying to break my balls. I went to finals this year to try to get the big boys respect. But all I get is this type of bull$hit. I dont understand I help anyone that I can. Let anyone look at anything in my car. I dont act like Im the $hit or anything. When Jays van cought fire at finals I Tried to help him and told him that if I had anything that he needed to go to the car and get it. That I wanted to win I wanted it to be Head to Head not a DQ. At Iasca Finals I pulled out 1 of my amps for someone to use that I didnt even hardly know. If you dont know me dont bash me! Im a pretty nice guy if you just get a chance to meet me. Thanks to everyone that I have met and has been really cool and not a $hit head.
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quote:Originally posted by Neill Barber: Street class nor any other class for that matter are the largest "money makers" for dbDRAG.
Sponsors are "money makers". Shops, manufacturers, and corporate logos (pepsi) are the big deal.
What brings these to the table at large events? Consumers. Or rather the crowd of spectators that come out to see the products and competitors at these events. Spectators (unless previously exposed) do not know OR CARE what the classes or rules are. They come out and spend their MONEY to see LARGE ELABORATE systems. Not poopbox cars with wire all over the place and a liquid nail covered box with 2-12's and an aero port sticking out of it.
I believe Street had its place on the local level and at finals, but there should NEVER be another expansion of smaller classes.
To comply on the local level judges are allowed to add smaller classes for "locals" that do not accure points. These "add a class" type events should be the ONLY way smaller classes are expanded. 3X events and Finals should have the bare minimum for Street classes to accomodate those who would otherwise complain.
Large Super Street and Extreme vehicles have to make a comeback for dbDRA to continue as strong at it has.
Remeember back in the day when us "old timers" didn't get a say. You showed up and competed in the class that your vehicle FIT IN. You didn't go up to the judge and ask for a small class BC "those guys are louder than me."
Give me a break.
NO MORE SMALLER CLASSES!
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Big name sponsors, manufacturers, and etc. are only interested in contributing if you bring in the largest portion of their target audience. Extreme competitors and even many superstreet competitors are often times a two edged sword. They help to make money by promoting product lines, but they often cost a great deal in the form of lost profits for product given or deeply discounted for those competitors. There are pros and cons to both sides of that relationship. However, it is clear that manufacturers do not wish to market their product to more extreme competitors. They want to market their products to street class competitors, and normal every day joe's.
I tend to disagree with you though about spectators and what they will pay for. The crowds come because they know that there will be a variety of vehicles there. From installs that they will likely see out on the strip that weekend to uber-installs that wouldn't be safe driving through a parking lot. It's the whole package. To try and pin what the spectators come for on one particular class is arrogant and misinformed. I see tons of people at shows all the time who are there just to check out what's going on, see/support their friends, or whatever else comes along. From parking lot shows to finals, it's always the same thing. People go by the smallest most basic install and look it over often within minutes of looking at extreme vehicles.
If you want to look at this from a logical standpoint the only thing that brings support and money is a larger audience for manufacturers/sponsors to market their products to. Let's face it, the cost for manufacturers to support events keeps increasing as time goes on and the amount of business gained from being active keeps getting smaller. IMHO, the only way to make this or any other sanctioning body bigger is to start by making it smaller. What I mean is that people have got to find a way to reduce their expenses for these events, reduce the cost to manufacturers, and make the events desireable for a huge variety of competitors. (especially the ministreet/newbie) You need a lean efficeint engine to drive this machine so to speak. Get the costs down, get the manufacturers back in force, and increase the number of people at each event and your on the road to success.
Just my 2 cents, take it for what it is worth.
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quote:Originally posted by jarfunkz: you found the problem... its time to get rid of the street lifers. so we can get these spectators and consumers feet wet in street and not getting their butt kicked by people who have had their vehicle for 4-5 years. it is a joke how anyone who has won or been top 4 at dbdrag finals is still in street. we need to outlaw these vehicles from competing in street the following year. rome wasn't built in one day but after the consumer and spectator has success, they will be more inclined to go bigger. better than having them be blown out by 10 db and then never compete again.
Finally someone on the same side of the fence. HELL YEAH HE CAN READ!!!
NeillBarber
People are going to stick with what works, or what they know. If you try to make them move up they will just "sell" the car to someone else who will use it in the same class. Or perhaps they will build a new vehicle to compete with in that class, or whatever else will happen. If a person wanted to move up and compete in SS or EX then they would do it. If you try to drive them out of Street then they will either find a way around it or just quit.
People want to compete where they feel comfortable or can be competitive. That is why they stay in those classes. It fits them. People like you should leave them alone. If they don't want to move up and trying to compete with those more costly systems then who are you to tell them they should move up. It's just economically feasible for most people even if they wanted to. You probably don't realize it, but your agenda/goals/statements are self serving. You want to believe that more people should be competing in those larger classes but the fact is that those vehicles don't draw people to this sport. It's the people they see that have systems which look like their own which make them wonder how well they would do if there were to try competing. That is what gets them interested. We want more new competitors, the only way to get them is to continue to focus the classes and marketing efforts on those classes. You've got to get their attention and create the desire to compete. The only way to do that is to continue to look for the right angle to hook them.
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I definitely think a lot of you do not think before you type and want to be a key board commander. Controversy is good to some extent, it get people to discuss items, that may or may not be of importance. I highly suggest that people should think before they type and bash each other
On a side note.... I think the classes should stay the same. One year of test piloting a class is not very appropriate in making a decision. If the classes continue to change, at least in the extreme classes, you will see more competitors either stepping down to a more stable class or quiting/taking a year off.
I don't think many of the street classes would like me discussing rules and classes for them, so I think those people should not discuss something they have no idea the time, money, and labor goes into rebuilding an extreme vehicle.
However, I have decided that this is an appropriate place to discuss a suggestion for street though. I have thought long and hard about this suggestion after discussing it with others that didn't want to say anything to start controversy, but I have absolutely no fear of getting bashed or saying things on here. Here goes, I believe that street A,B, and C are going to get dominated by the same competitors each year, so to prevent this the STREET classes should not be offered at finals. I do know this will pi$$ a lot of people off, but in order to get new blood into dBdrag we need to offer classes that they can be competitive in and spark new interest. I do not think the answer is offering ministreet. I do think the answer is to make veterans move up to street max, superstreet, or extreme classes, so by not offering street at finals will make people move up or quit. I know a lot of you will give me the famous answer of you can't do that because I can't hang with those competitors, but obviously you guys have not analyzed how much you are spending to be competitive in street. Street = money war based on how much you spend not so much on creativity or design. Street competitors have the option to decide what class they want to compete in... the extreme competitors can't exactly put their vehicle back together stock to compete in a different division. I give a lot of props to those that have stated they are actually moving out of street. I know a lot of you will state how much more it is to compete in those classes, so go right ahead and speak your mind and bash away.... The Decision is all yours...
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People wanting to compete in Street can do as much as they like but if they want a WF place they have to go into a "bigger" class.
With regional finals it would give people in Street something to aim for and brag about.
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Here goes, I believe that street A,B, and C are going to get dominated by the same competitors each year, so to prevent this the STREET classes should not be offered at finals. I do know this will pi$$ a lot of people off, but in order to get new blood into dBdrag we need to offer classes that they can be competitive in and spark new interest. I do not think the answer is offering ministreet. I do think the answer is to make veterans move up to street max, superstreet, or extreme classes, so by not offering street at finals will make people move up or quit. I know a lot of you will give me the famous answer of you can't do that because I can't hang with those competitors, but obviously you guys have not analyzed how much you are spending to be competitive in street. Street = money war based on how much you spend not so much on creativity or design. Street competitors have the option to decide what class they want to compete in... the extreme competitors can't exactly put their vehicle back together stock to compete in a different division. I give a lot of props to those that have stated they are actually moving out of street. I know a lot of you will state how much more it is to compete in those classes, so go right ahead and speak your mind and bash away.... The Decision is all yours...
Street A was won by a 2004 rookie, Street B by a guy who has never competed in Street.(until this season) Maybe someone has no idea what he is talking about?
Oh, you must be in favor of shows were like one person is at? Look no further than your own stats and how many OTHER competitors YOU competed against. (rather small I know)
Until you FIX your own class, please butt out on what Street needs, hence follow your very own advice.......
quote:Originally posted by Kara Lucius: I don't think many of the street classes would like me discussing rules and classes for them, so I think those people should not discuss something they have no idea the time, money, and labor goes into rebuilding an extreme vehicle.
Now, how about we find real solutions to what dB Drag needs?
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Chad.. I have seen you voice several opinions about extreme... that is my point!!!!
FYI... Last time I looked I am not a HE
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There are several street competitors voicing their opinions about extreme and have they ever competed in extreme, NO....I USUALLY don't discuss things about others classes until I see people saying things about extreme in general like let's get rid of this class and do this
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quote:Originally posted by Kara Lucius: There are several street competitors voicing their opinions about extreme and have they ever competed in extreme, NO....I USUALLY don't discuss things about others classes until I see people saying things about extreme in general like let's get rid of this class and do this
The only reason I (read: me) responded to this ridiculous thread in the first place was because of someone knocking Street.
I would never say that a particular class does not deserve a finals invitation. That's just pathetic.
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quote:Originally posted by Kara Lucius: There are several street competitors voicing their opinions about extreme and have they ever competed in extreme, NO....I USUALLY don't discuss things about others classes until I see people saying things about extreme in general like let's get rid of this class and do this
I have to agree with Kara on this I dont see any of the street guyes saying "hey lets get rid of one of the street classes and make bigger class" I think that everyone likes the classes the way that they are except a couple people. A couple of people isnt going to make a difference here. Right now things are tight with money and people are not spending money. We need to find a fix to the problem instead of creating more. Kara is doing nothing but sticking up for her class just like the street guyes are sticking up for there class. We need to stop the BASHING and work on the porblem. Getting rid of a class is not going to fix the problem. There are other issues that need to be looked at!!
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Oh boy.... NO ONE SHOULD BE CATERED TO! Like Billy said we need to focus on this together and not turn this into a street class vs extreme class
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quote:Originally posted by J_P: [QUOTE]Originally posted by Conclusive: [QUOTE]
Street A was won by a 2004 rookie, Street B by a guy who has never competed in Street.(until this season) Maybe someone has no idea what he is talking about?
Oh, you must be in favor of shows were like one person is at? Look no further than your own stats and how many OTHER competitors YOU competed against. (rather small I know)
Until you FIX your own class, please butt out on what Street needs, hence follow your very own advice.......
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Lets see street A was won by (true a rookie) but what team was he part of? Do they not allway have a car in the top of the street class? street b was won by 7 year vetern two time prior champion. Don't get me wrong what everyone does in street class is great. but when the same 5 cars/ teams alway take the top 3 spots. how does anyone new plan to compete?
Simply question chad your cars has been really loud the last couple of years. loud enuff to place at finals yet you never compete at finals? Why? You seem to get alot out of db drag, yet have no need to compete at finals? Why?
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