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If you have a car that peaks at 60hz, it still sounds like crap.
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Anybody know superbike races? In first 10 are almost 9 are Ducati bikes? So what, buy Ducati, or try harder.
There are many other cars that are as loud as Panda. Maybe not WR loud, but someone with knowledge can make it louder than someone with Panda and without knowledge.
80 Hz limit for all clases is fine.
Peter
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quote:Originally posted by firestarter: The 14v limit in Street and Street MAX is working real well. Maybe this should go up to cover SS as well? Like make the voltage we have to run at suitable for cars. This is the biggest area of the rule book, where it contradicts itself. We are supposed to run audio equipment designed for 12v auto audio, yet a rack of 2v cells at 18 volts is not 12v....
And the frequency!!! please come on, the gap is growing every year between a winning car playing at 80Hz, and a street boomer. Even if it was brought down to 60Hz, we would have a chance of playing some semi musical bass to the crouds at the shows.... I bet show promotors would like that....
are you saying you have people with 9 2v in series?
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The horn in my van peaked at 60Hz for SPL, and was only 3db down at 40Hz full tilt. Sounded awesome. The ported box I built next in there, also peaked at about 64Hz, I could still boom OK as long as I has a subsonic on, at around 30Hz.
The box I have now peaks at 79Hz, and sounds awefull.
This WILL help the sport, yes the loudest person will always win, its not about that. Some of us actually like to play our systems. OK, its quite rare for anyone to play a system, I have had complaints at some European shows in the past... But spectators love it!!! So we have a bunch of locked up, covered cars, that also dont play music, oh what a delightfuly entertaining spectator sport we have created. If we can just do a few things that do it for the spectators, it makes it good for us. Yep, most people still wont play to the crouds, but, just maybe, a few of us will.
Always, the cry-babys say dont change a thing, and the beginning of next year they wont have loud systems, because their will be no-one to copy, no-one to rip ideas off, the new loud car will have to be found, and the people without imagination wont have bothered till someone else does all the hard work.
In all honesty, the real creators, I am sure would love the challenge of even 40Hz. Yes, it would take a new vehicle, a new install, new ideas to win, but just think, oh what a dream come true, a system that plays 40Hz or less for competition, and then we can go home, and further enjoy our hard work, listening to it, instead of going home in silence... A few of us probably remember the days when our SPL vehicle peaked at 30Hz, and we won, and we had fun booming to the crouds
And after 6 months since the season begins, all the people who complained due to lack of imagination and skill, will have again copied what it takes to win.
Please change the rules lots every year, give us new targets, new things to aim for, bring back SPL to the real world.
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quote:Originally posted by dBSteve: Even if its changed to 60hz ... newbie's will still get beat by 10 db at shows. How does that help?
You have no idea do you?
Whatever the rules, some people can build to them. The rest will copy.
Lets get the rules closer to the real world, and some of us will be able to demo this sport more easily to the masses. This helps US.
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quote:Originally posted by firestarter: The 14v limit in Street and Street MAX is working real well. Maybe this should go up to cover SS as well? Like make the voltage we have to run at suitable for cars. This is the biggest area of the rule book, where it contradicts itself. We are supposed to run audio equipment designed for 12v auto audio, yet a rack of 2v cells at 18 volts is not 12v....
And the frequency!!! please come on, the gap is growing every year between a winning car playing at 80Hz, and a street boomer. Even if it was brought down to 60Hz, we would have a chance of playing some semi musical bass to the crouds at the shows.... I bet show promotors would like that....
are you saying you have people with 9 2v in series?
8 2 Volts fully charged float at 17.6+
Ben
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quote:Originally posted by dBSteve: Even if its changed to 60hz ... newbie's will still get beat by 10 db at shows. How does that help?
You have no idea do you?
Whatever the rules, some people can build to them. The rest will copy.
Lets get the rules closer to the real world, and some of us will be able to demo this sport more easily to the masses. This helps US.
I think what steve is trying to get at, is we need to help NEW people get interested in the sport. Changing the frequency limit isn't going to do that because people are still gonna be loud, no matter what. If there are no newbies, the sport dies, period.
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Thats why we have Mini Street classes , with move up rule . There is +50% of all our belgian competitors in Mini Street class . And we averidge about 60 - 90 competitors each competition .
Why ? There is a 600 watt rule and 1000 euro max msrp . Ok maybe most people buy the same amp and subs , but it will not be an amp more expencive then 1000 euro . And most people who want to start in MS class can afford that .
The highest score for all MS classes is about 148 with 600 watts . As newcomer i would think i can do that to . But if i am a newbie and need to do a 152 for street A , thats something else .
Make a few MS classes and locals and new people will be more interrested in competing . The MS class dousnt have to be on finals , if they want they can go after a few years to a big class ,and be on world finals , but they will build up the expercience and by then an idea what it takes to play nr 1 .
MS classes with move up rule , thats how you will get new people involved . It works very good in belgium .
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quote:Originally posted by db_saxo: Thats why we have Mini Street classes , with move up rule . There is +50% of all our belgian competitors in Mini Street class . And we averidge about 60 - 90 competitors each competition .
Why ? There is a 600 watt rule and 1000 euro max msrp . Ok maybe most people buy the same amp and subs , but it will not be an amp more expencive then 1000 euro . And most people who want to start in MS class can afford that .
The highest score for all MS classes is about 148 with 600 watts . As newcomer i would think i can do that to . But if i am a newbie and need to do a 152 for street A , thats something else .
Make a few MS classes and locals and new people will be more interrested in competing . The MS class dousnt have to be on finals , if they want they can go after a few years to a big class ,and be on world finals , but they will build up the expercience and by then an idea what it takes to play nr 1 .
MS classes with move up rule , thats how you will get new people involved . It works very good in belgium .
I am not sure what too say ...
I did Mini Street for 2 years. All the kids loved it. Several moved up and competed at World Finals.
This year, Wayne said that I could no longer do Mini Street. I lost 50% of my competitors this year because of this.
How is it that Europe can do Mini Street but we in the United States can't
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dBSteve Get Loud Productions LLC Posts: 8435 | From: Midwest | Registered: Aug 2000
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quote:Originally posted by dBSteve: Even if its changed to 60hz ... newbie's will still get beat by 10 db at shows. How does that help?
You have no idea do you?
Whatever the rules, some people can build to them. The rest will copy.
Lets get the rules closer to the real world, and some of us will be able to demo this sport more easily to the masses. This helps US.
As long as "PROS" are aloud to compete in Street and Street Max, the "Locals" don't stand a chance ... no matter what frequency limit you have.
Instead of the "PROS" winning by 10 dB, they'll win by 8 dB.
Stop thinking of your own small, quiet country, and consider the rest of the world for a moment
This is supposed to be a world wide format...
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How is it that Europe can do Mini Street but we in the United States can't
We can also have Pizza eating contests, or SQ or...
MS is best idea in last few years. It doesn't lead anywhere except to regular classes, and atracts many new competitors - real people that have never competed.
Peter
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quote:Originally posted by firestarter: Stop thinking of your own small, quiet country, and consider the rest of the world for a moment
This is supposed to be a world wide format...
Further comments like this will cause alot of people to not listen to you at all. Please keep comments regarding the United States of America to yourself.
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dBSteve Get Loud Productions LLC Posts: 8435 | From: Midwest | Registered: Aug 2000
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quote:Originally posted by dBSteve: Even if its changed to 60hz ... newbie's will still get beat by 10 db at shows. How does that help?
You have no idea do you?
Whatever the rules, some people can build to them. The rest will copy.
Lets get the rules closer to the real world, and some of us will be able to demo this sport more easily to the masses. This helps US.
As long as "PROS" are aloud to compete in Street and Street Max, the "Locals" don't stand a chance ... no matter what frequency limit you have.
Instead of the "PROS" winning by 10 dB, they'll win by 8 dB.
Stop thinking of your own small, quiet country, and consider the rest of the world for a moment
This is supposed to be a world wide format...
Hey dumba$$, why don't you come to finals and sit in our ss 3-4 van for a full tilt burp and tell me whos quiet. Seriously now, when you make a suggestion, you are thinking of yourself, when steve suggests we bring back mini street, it benefits EVERYONE! You are allowed to have whatever classes you want, in every country but ours. I suggest you pull your head out of your @$$ and quit making fun of a country that is quite frankly, the best.
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