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I am happy with how the classes are but would see the following as classes that would bring in more people. It would also eliminate the CRX fest and would also eliminate the Panda advantage to a great degree.
Street A No walls. Street B Include walls. Street C Include walls.
NW No woofer limit. SS 1 SS 2-3 SS 4+
EX 1 EX 2-3 EX 4+
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quote:Originally posted by BIG YUKON T: I am happy with how the classes are but would see the following as classes that would bring in more people. It would also eliminate the CRX fest and would also eliminate the Panda advantage to a great degree.
Street A No walls. Street B Include walls. Street C Include walls.
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To retort and show some insight as to my choices of combining classes. While this is about competition it is really about spectators and I did not hear one group of people talking about man did you see that civic with 2 10's in it that was really neat. No matter how you cut it big systems and wild installs get the attention.(You can ask anyone that has seen my Nissan at a show and they can verify where the crowd repeatedly returns to during a show.) Sorry if you cannot be competitive if classes were to be combined. (speaking from my own WF experience I have well over $15,000 invested in my van I paid for 90% of my equipment, and spent $2500 total for the weekend of finals transportation, lodging, entry, and food. I was in no way close to the top 3 guys I was 5db away I knew this coming to the show and I still attended ).
Look at USAC they have had one class 1001 watts+ for 90%of their competitors for years and it hasn't hurt their participation. I am aware that it did change this year to a different #.
Sometimes you have to force the chicks out of the nest and move them into the bigger classes of out of the competition so that you can get fresh blood in the lanes.
You can ask anyone that has seen my Nissan at a show and they can verify where the crowd repeatedly returns to during a show.
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quote:Sometimes you have to force the chicks out of the nest and move them into the bigger classes of out of the competition so that you can get fresh blood in the lanes.
that's hittin the nail on the head.
small time local guys wanna have fun with thier systems too.
newbies entering the sport full time wanna have a chance.
they dont have that chance against people who are running in, for sake of argument, street b. for thier 4th or 5th year, or, heaven forbid, happen to be subwoofer manufacturers.
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i personally dont care how many classes there are, or how many people bitch and moan over classes.
i dont compete in hopes of a trpphy. i compete to have fun, and meet new people.
im gonna make a serious effort at finals for no wall next year. HA! wit ha 4 door trunk car, AND maintain my back seat!!
it may not happen, but im sure gonna have fun trying.
or, i could whine like so many others seem so fond of doing, whenever i lose or something doesn't go my way.
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That is the reason that I dont compete USACI is it dosent matter how many woofers you have its anything over 1001 watts.
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quote:Originally posted by pornstar: they dont have that chance against people who are running in, for sake of argument, street b. for thier 4th or 5th year, or, heaven forbid, happen to be subwoofer manufacturers.
Team PSI is in thier first year of dB Drag (I think?) He did very well also.
Your argument is flawed regarding Street class. Even if Wayne did force Street guys to move up, you would still have to compete against a 'pro' in the lanes. If I were forced out of Street, my nearest CRX buddy would have my enclosure and my equipment to run, and still dominate the class. At the very minimum, he would have enclosure specs and an equipment list. This topic has been run through the mud here numerous times.
I feel Street should be treated as every other permanant class. You don't see Street guys posting in here that SS guys should move 'out of the nest' to Extreme.
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quote:Originally posted by BIG YUKON T: I am happy with how the classes are but would see the following as classes that would bring in more people. It would also eliminate the CRX fest and would also eliminate the Panda advantage to a great degree.
Street A No walls. Street B Include walls. Street C Include walls.
NW No woofer limit. SS 1 SS 2-3 SS 4+
EX 1 EX 2-3 EX 4+
this looks good,,,,,but how about wall in street c only,,,,imo the street a and b cars are already way too competitive with each other,,,walls would just be overkill for them,,might kill the statute of what a streetcar should be....add mini street to the front of it...
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on the other hand,,,if you could wall a street b car,,,then that would definetely narrow the gap between crx and any other car...hmmmm....that would fix another problem i have with street classes
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conclusive... you missed the point. nevermind.
walls in street.... bad idea. unless you dont care about local guys competing at shows.
if you ONLY care abotu the die hard competitors, then hey that's great.
but if you want higher numbers at shows, and you want more new guys to compete.. then you need to think about what those new local guys are running.
if they dont matter. then jsut say so.
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Not really, many "locals" have enclosures that are above the window line. More times than not from my experience and they get bumped to SS. Now that is not good for attendance in my opinion. So by adding wall to the classes you open it up to a whole new group of "daily drivers" and you stop any one vehicle from taking over a class.
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Im pretty sure there were several first year guys to make brackets this year dohman in a, nick bose and david (team psi) in b afew in street max as well. Regardless of how many years you been in it doesnt reflect how successful you are. There are plenty who do it year after year and still dont make top 3 or hell 5 for that matter. Leave the classes alone for once people will probably die of shock though and be less competitors
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It was mentioned again about the crx/panda fest in the street classes. Their advantage would greatly be reduced if the freq limit was 60 hz, but that topic has been dicussed and man did it get some haters!!
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a handful of rookies at finals, doesnt support local events across the country.
a local guy with a box that's half inch above the window line doesnt make it a wall.
i saw a local guy at a local 2x event with a blazer. he had a box with 2 10's and maybe a 1k amp.
his box was below the window line. his sub surround, was above the window line. he was placed into ss nw because of it. he turned out a whopping 130db
as he pulled out of the lane, i head him say, that was stupid. me against those big guys, just because my speaker was too tall... ill never waste my time again.
everyone is so worried about finals. finals does not make this sport. finals is ONE event of the year. its hte rest of the events that support finals.
again i say, if the thousands of local one show competitors dont matter.. then JUST SAY SO.
and the majority ARE one time competitors, because they find it to be a waste of thier time.
you are going to find more and more retailers running thier own, non sanctioned shows, just so thier local guys can actually have some fun.
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Street Max is already the street division which allows walls.
This year has been very successful with classes, why not leave it the way it is?
We all know that if anything more street classes are needed than any other class. And while wild installs do attach the attention of spectators. Without a class for people to play when the first start - there wont be many newbies.
Bringing back mini-street would be an awesome idea.
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quote:Originally posted by k-otic24-7: It was mentioned again about the crx/panda fest in the street classes. Their advantage would greatly be reduced if the freq limit was 60 hz, but that topic has been dicussed and man did it get some haters!!
Im ALL for it.
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quote:Originally posted by 170typhoon: Why dont we just do away with the extreme classes all together? because no spectators like to look at extreme vehicles
Extreme Vehicles are not just vehicles filled with concrete. I like to look at the vehicle's design....alma, jones, hughes, trendsetters, everyone else.
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quote:Originally posted by 170typhoon: Why dont we just do away with the extreme classes all together? because no spectators like to look at extreme vehicles
Extreme Vehicles are not just vehicles filled with concrete. I like to look at the vehicle's design....alma, jones, hughes, trendsetters, everyone else.
I was being sarcastic Bryan
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When you are discussing the future of the sport revenue from promotors, spectators, and corporate sponsors. No one will show up and pay an admission fee to see bunch of 2-12 CRX's or anyother car for that matter. They can see that at home.
I am not for combining classes. Unless its street. I am in favor of adding incentive (money and prizes) to the Extreme division. Therefore encouraging more of them to be built. Also incentive at large events for Super street classes.
These large and overpowering stereos are what draws poeple to the events and gets them to spend their money.
The reform that is needed is to promote and encourage the building of larger more elaborate stereos. Not encouraging the construction of smaller and smaller classes.
Next year I can see people asking for a 1-8" sealed box class BC 2-12's and a ported box are too expensive.
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