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since i'm new, i dont understand the frequency deal. what would be the point. how high are some people playing? i peak at 50.
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quote:Originally posted by TechSys: I don't think the whole CRX and 2 door cars should be in a seperate class unless they are trailored in. Here is the thing, from what I understand Street is supposed to be exactly that.. Daily driven street vehicles, not trailor queens/kings.
Mine is a trailor queen. Just because I do not make my g/f drive by herself 3 hours since I am competing my truck as well. Am I cheating or what not? So what if I trailor my vehicle. Atleast I bring two vehicles to a competition. More money for dbdrag What's wrong with that? As for everyone else. There is alot of work with a trailor queen. If you are a real competitor, i mean hardcore, you know there is alot of stuff you need to bring to competition. There is a blue bag I pack full of equipment so if something goes wrong I can check it. Plus chairs, umbrella, (8foot diamater), cooler. You can not fit all of the stuff in a crx so sorry if i drive three hours with a trailor and my crx on the back. I am not even a high hitter and I work my ass of to not only bring my g/f into the sport, but also support the sport as well.
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that explains trailoring to an event. and makes perfect sense. but how often do you drive the crx at home? is it a STREET vehicle. is it something you drive regularly and actually put miles on it? if it is, then wo cares if its trailored. its an actual street vehicle IMO.
i heard one crx driver at a recent event comment that... we werent sure if it was goign to start when we got it off the trailer. we just put the motor in the other day, so it would run for the event.
1. thats not a street car. 2. from the looks of that particular member, they are sponsored. (which i guess doesnt matter anyway - but it sure defeats the purpose of street classes supposedly being for NEW people to the sport.)
people that are trailoring in cars OBVIOUSLY are NOT new.
btw: i was just looking at your stats page. that's a damned nice looking wall in your truck. !
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Theres no rule anywhere saying the car has to be road legal. It just has to move under its own engine power.
Doesnt have to be taxed or insured.
The "Street" name aplies to the car, not its usage. Its just the name of the class.
If people want to compete in a car that isnt their daily car let them.
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quote:Originally posted by Mr Bump: Theres no rule anywhere saying the car has to be road legal. It just has to move under its own engine power.
Doesnt have to be taxed or insured.
The "Street" name aplies to the car, not its usage. Its just the name of the class.
If people want to compete in a car that isnt their daily car let them.
Ben
Has to be insured at finals Ben First thing they ask for is a title and proof of insurance.
To have insurance it has to have a tag..and depending on the state if it has a tag the car has to pass a state inspection
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quote:Originally posted by Mr Bump: Theres no rule anywhere saying the car has to be road legal. It just has to move under its own engine power.
Doesnt have to be taxed or insured.
The "Street" name aplies to the car, not its usage. Its just the name of the class.
If people want to compete in a car that isnt their daily car let them.
Ben
Has to be insured at finals Ben First thing they ask for is a title and proof of insurance.
To have insurance it has to have a tag..and depending on the state if it has a tag the car has to pass a state inspection
Didnt know that, cheers
But that is just finals?
We can insure our cars without tag (tax) or test but cant get tax without insurance or test, just insure it as a show car, not used on the roads.
How do Extreme cars get on? Surely they cant all be road legal?
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i would think you can still register and insure a vehicle even if it isnt actually driven on the roads.
like the extreme vehicles.
they are still a vehicle. they still have vin numbers. you have to have a title for it. i would "assume" that all the extreme folks still have a tag for it. i mean its only 50 bucks in the grand scheme of things. and insurance, i would HOPE they all have nsurance
Theres no rule anywhere saying the car has to be road legal. It just has to move under its own engine power
you are right, that exact sentance is not spelled out in the rules. but, jsut for kicks why not read the rules again. look at EVERYTHING that applies to street class.
it ALL implies a street LEGAL vehicle. no modifications, etc... that's WHY its the street class.
i've also seen sam and wayne and i think a few others as well, post that street was started for beginners to enter into the sport.
but hey what do i know. i'm new lol
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I think if a car is a total trailer queen, meaning, it only leaves its trailer to compete or be worked and isn't driven on the roads it should be in street max.
Just by looking at most cars you can tell if they are actual street vehicles or if they are trailer queens. Some of the "Street Vehicles I saw this year had rims and tires tall enough that they rubbed on their fenders, obviously these car were not driven on the street they were unloaded from the trailer and run through the lanes.
If the Street classes were meant for "New Competitors" then why not put any sponsored vehicles in Street Max.
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after countless talks with people it seems alot of people even those with a CRX or same type car agree with me.
i will also say this i did very well in my 4 door trunk car this year but due to it being a daily driver......i will have to bring out another car next year. still a daily car just will fit my needs better.
i also belive that since i made world finals this year i will NEVER compete in street b, it just wont seem fair to the new guys.
quote:Originally posted by Mike_Stiers: In order to regulate the Street Classes a little better, I think that the highest frequency allowed needs to be limited to 60hz and below. Maybe even 50hz and below. (I know of a few Rex's that play at 48-52hz and are in the top 5 of their respected classes.) But, that would make Street classes a little more appealing to outsiders or those without 2 seaters.
I agree totally Mike. I've been saying lower the freq. limit in Street for a while. Personally I'd like to see 40hz and under, though I think that 45hz would probably the best compromise you could come up with.
They are street vehicles and should reflect street tuning. Unfortunately, I can't see it happening soon. Wayne seems uninterested by the idea.
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we will have to see.....i see a huge decline in db drag if we cant get the street beaters into the lanes and let them feel a WIN...not a 10db loss!
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Bring back m/s and 10 db losses for newbie wont have to happen. If its done right you could probably get a lot of MECA crossover competitors. In my area that apparently is a big deal. I went to 3 db drags in various ares within 50 miles of my house and then to 2 MECA shows and their attendance was double or triple that of the dbdrag due to more fair classes. Granted we have the loudest vehicles on the planet and thats great, but number of competitors and ability to attract new ones is what will keep us going in the future. Its kind of like going to an amusemnt park and all the rides are for adults, nothing for the kids.
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Regardless of how the classes are divided up, there will always be a cetain car that dominates and many people will use that car. We should just be glad that the car of choice for street classes can be bought for under $1000, and can be made kinda nice at the same time. Maybe 10 years from now, the dominating car will be some tiny thing for $20000 that can only be bought brand new, and that WILL make street impossible to be competitive in for the new guys. I am kinda worried about the SMART cars that were just introduced into Canada last month. People in Europe have been hitting over 154 in street B with them, which is louder than a CRX. This may mean that to be competitive in street, I will have to buy one of these for $18000. I say the CRX is a fine car to dominate because anyone can get one, and it has been proven that it is not much (if any) louder than other vehicles out there.
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i own a crx it is a daily driver i drive it from home to work and other places i go i also let my mother drive it where she needs to go. my main concern is the guys who are doing 50's in these cars are running lots of power its not a box issue for example i run a rf power hx2 12 with a autotek mx-2000 on it the amp is rated 500 watts at 4 ohms it does 1512 at 1 ohm ok now take the same sub and put a 9.0 on it what happens you got more power even a d3 has more power now the avaverage guy doesnt have the money for one of these big amps . this year i started competing i had a 92 toyota paseo in street (a) cause i could only get 1 12 in my car so that put me in (a) i run my car through the lanes 137 db qualifed now brackets i get knocked out by 1 db but i notice there is this one green and orange bad ass crx what does this guy run i wonder oh no street (a) there he is there goes it for every one in street (a) 150 db but the thing is most kids and others cant afford these big amps so why let these guys that ownes there own shop and get disscounts on stuff compete in street classes i think they should limit power in street classes so the average person would have a reason to pay a entry fee and compete thats my 2 freakin cents
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quote:Originally posted by Mr Bump: Didnt know that, cheers
But that is just finals?
We can insure our cars without tag (tax) or test but cant get tax without insurance or test, just insure it as a show car, not used on the roads.
How do Extreme cars get on? Surely they cant all be road legal?
Ben
Yes just at finals
Reason this is is because a certain person who shall remain nameless kind of...drove the vehicle into a post/wall/place the vehicle was not supposed to be in the convention center a few years back.
Which is also why we must push the vehicles now
No there is a way to insure them as not road legal, I think it's kind of like farm equipment.
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55hz peak note maybe 50 is the best idea, to bring it back to a street setup
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I think a lower freq limit would be a great idea for street. It is supposed to be streetable systems, and I don't know of many daily driver systems that are tuned in the 60s
We're (Team Livin' Loud) using a CRX this year and the high allowance for freq allows us to have a pretty good advantage over other types of vehicles. The same goes with the Panda. I'd say drop the frequency to 60hz. This will impact scores for a lot of people (including us) but it will allow for a larger base of actually competitive competitors.
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i don't ahgree with limiting the freq either... that would be to anal.
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oops... i just compltely disagreed with my team memeber!! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.. oh well... kinda funny....
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quote:Originally posted by seege: Regardless of how the classes are divided up, there will always be a cetain car that dominates and many people will use that car. We should just be glad that the car of choice for street classes can be bought for under $1000, and can be made kinda nice at the same time. Maybe 10 years from now, the dominating car will be some tiny thing for $20000 that can only be bought brand new, and that WILL make street impossible to be competitive in for the new guys. I am kinda worried about the SMART cars that were just introduced into Canada last month. People in Europe have been hitting over 154 in street B with them, which is louder than a CRX. This may mean that to be competitive in street, I will have to buy one of these for $18000. I say the CRX is a fine car to dominate because anyone can get one, and it has been proven that it is not much (if any) louder than other vehicles out there.
hehehe.. you see my plan for the future...!
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Street classes are for anyone with a street legal car. I will go up against any small hatchback car anyday, granted I will most likely lose, that's my problem. I don't ever plan to move up until I have amassed a small fortune so that I am competitive in a SS or Extreme class. I'm not really competitive in Street yet! If you want to see more of the locals at shows winning, make sure there is a mini street class available for non-dB Drag Racing members. While they are there, in a class with fellow newbies, they can check out the members cars to see what it takes to be competitive in the other classes.
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why dont we put ported boxes in another category too i think i saw a few of those win last year
seriously if your car is a trailor queen move up to the super street category or at least street max maybe street max no wall?
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