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What about a redefinition in Street Max to make them "more streetable" and make a "larger difference" to the Super Street classes.
If you have a class mainly defined by the numbers of woofers, all "loud guys" will use 15" or 18" woofers.
But if you are on small events, the locals guys mostly only have probably 1 or 2 12" and were only because of the box height put into Street Max. They don't want to buy a pair of 18" to be competitive, so why don't we do a "system" like it is in Street classes with "Street Max A, B, C,"
Probably the woofers in Street Max should be larger, so my idea would be:
Street Max A: 3 x 10", 2 x 12", 1 x 15" - 1 Amp with 2 conductors Street Max B: 6 x 10", 4 x 12", 2 x 15", 1 x 18" - 2 Amps with 4 conductors Street Max C: 6 x 12", 3 x 15", 2 x 18" - 4 Amps with 8 conductors
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quote:Originally posted by Tor Steinar Aamodt: Great idea....
Today SM is a "small SS class"....
Exactly, and if I remember right, Street Max was created with an idea of a "larger street class" so that the guys on the events don't have to compete against SuperStreet cars only because their box is 2 inch to high.
Lets try to bring back the Street Max to what it should orginally be: A larger street class!
Üüüühh!!! Matze
P.S.: Sae thing with daming material: Don't allow Street MAX cars to be SuperStreet cars, just allow a box and nothing between the box and the cars skin.
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I think I like the idea of cone area classing street-max. I am working on a car that has a no-wall box in the back seat but I think it is going to be a pair of 12s and that will get killed in SM 1-2 or in NW
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I think the street max classes work fine the way they are. Why change something that has been VERY successful?
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quote:Originally posted by Broken Silence CC - Johnny: I think the street max classes work fine the way they are. Why change something that has been VERY successful?
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And I like it as a "small superstreet", could also be seen as a bridge from street to superstreet, where you can compete and be loud without spending too much, then pass in SS1-2 the next year or a couple of years later...
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Good idea Matze. I like that classing much better than the current one.
quote:Originally posted by Broken Silence CC - Johnny: I think the street max classes work fine the way they are. Why change something that has been VERY successful?
Has it really been sucessful though???
Think about it. 90% of the people competing in this class are SS people who moved down. This was not the intention for this class. It was meant for more street type guys, and limited power daily-driver type guys with walls. We really havent seen many of these people in this class. I dont call that sucess. Just because the bracket is filled, doesnt mean the class succeeded in doing what it was meant to do.
quote:Originally posted by JeremyD: Good idea Matze. I like that classing much better than the current one.
quote:Originally posted by Broken Silence CC - Johnny: I think the street max classes work fine the way they are. Why change something that has been VERY successful?
Has it really been sucessful though???
Think about it. 90% of the people competing in this class are SS people who moved down. This was not the intention for this class. It was meant for more street type guys, and limited power daily-driver type guys with walls. We really havent seen many of these people in this class. I dont call that sucess. Just because the bracket is filled, doesnt mean the class succeeded in doing what it was meant to do.
I just looked at all the SM people going to finals and I disagree with the mostly SS guys dropping down.
3 PEOPLE COMPETED IN A STREET CLASS LAST SEASON 8 PEOPLE COMPETED IN A SUPER STREET CALSS LAST SEASON 8 PEOPLE WERE NEW MEMBERSHIPS THAT HAVE NO STATS BEFORE THIS YEAR 1 PERSON DROPPED DOWN FROM EXTREME
Of everyone 3 people are competing under a team name.
This tells me that the class is bringing as many new people in as it has people dropping down in class.
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quote:Originally posted by JeremyD: Good idea Matze. I like that classing much better than the current one.
quote:Originally posted by Broken Silence CC - Johnny: I think the street max classes work fine the way they are. Why change something that has been VERY successful?
Has it really been sucessful though???
Think about it. 90% of the people competing in this class are SS people who moved down. This was not the intention for this class. It was meant for more street type guys, and limited power daily-driver type guys with walls. We really havent seen many of these people in this class. I dont call that sucess. Just because the bracket is filled, doesnt mean the class succeeded in doing what it was meant to do.
I know at least one competitor in street max wouldn't be doing this at all this season without the class, and i would suspect he isn't the only one either...
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I like the idea of cone area classing it with max A, B and C........it would not change much and it would make a place for guys for walls that have 12s to go.....
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I Say leave it alone, it is a good stepping stone between SS and street, might not be great for a class being aimed at "street like" vehicles but there doesnt seem to be answer for this problem.
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i think matze´s idea brings the origin of the street max meaning back! graet idea!!!!!!!
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I think there are only 2 people who have posted so far that have anything to do with a street max car. Maybe people that compete in classes should have the say, instead of people who don't.
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As A Street Max competitor, I say "if it ain't broke, don't fix it"
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I totally agree that it would be nice to have woofer/size limits so it's more like Street. And if everyone isn't "forced" to use 18" woofers then we might get some nice show/demo cars that have more than 4 smaller woofers in a "wall" to compete in Street Max as well since they won't be totally blown away by the SS cars they have to compete against today.
Oh yeah, and I compete in Street Max by the way
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quote:Originally posted by Broken Silence CC - Johnny: I think there are only 2 people who have posted so far that have anything to do with a street max car. Maybe people that compete in classes should have the say, instead of people who don't.
you don´t have to compete in that class to have your thoughts about it. and as a street max competitor it is clear that you fight against changes which mean rebuilding
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If you don't compete in the class, why does it matter? That's what I'm getting at. I think the class is serving its purpose quite well, and has drawn serious interest.
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well, that´s a never ending discussion. fact is that i see the street max classes as a higher street class and you define it as a lower ss. i think it should be changed back to the original meaning, you don´t. most of the first-time-competitors in db-drag build their systems to high or they build it forward to the b-pillar. so they were put into a ss-class and were beaten by 10db and more. so the street max was invented to catch those people who are between street and ss, to give them a motivation to go on in db-drag. this si something that should still be mentioned. the way the loudest street max cars were built in 2004 actually has nothing to do with street any more imho. i don´t say that it is not legal, it is, no question, but i say that the rules were not clearly defined, and this "failure" should be corrected in 2005 just my perspective so what do you think about the origin of street max?
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quote:I think there are only 2 people who have posted so far that have anything to do with a street max car. Maybe people that compete in classes should have the say, instead of people who don't.
maybe people who actually compete, instead of people who dont.
quote:If you don't compete in the class, why does it matter? That's what I'm getting at. I think the class is serving its purpose quite well, and has drawn serious interest.
1. the same could be said for you. you didnt compete at all this year... so why are you even posting your thoughts?
2. perhaps if things were different more people WOULD compete.
3. i competed street b this season. does that mean i am not allowed to know what the future holds for SS or SM? does that mean i am not allowed to look at rules pertaining to SS or SM. Am i ONLY allowed to comment on things that pertain to the class i competed in?
i should hope not, because i am looking at running either SS or SM next season, so yes it applies to me. and it applies to anyone that may consider running a different class.
unless of course, rules were changed when i wasnt looking, and you are locked into your current class... for life.
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