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quote:Originally posted by Team Urban ArtFx: screw the amp limit. just do a battery limit.
We have a battery limit right now and we are still having amps problems. HOw will a batt limit make the judges life any better? Now they will have to check batteries. And making different size batteries legal for each class is kind of not the main basis for a sound competition
It will make it cheaper and you can only get so much power out of a battery, I don't care what amp your using or how many.
How much power do you think you would get if you were running 4-Mojos at .5-.7 ohm on one battery that is 600 inches (a little bigger than a Optima D34) ?
Considering Street A was won with a Crown.. I think you can get plenty of power out of 1 battery.
That does not mean anything. any amp will run as long as it has 12 supply. Do you know how much power he was getting ? He was not getting 6000 watts or anything near it.
Let get some input from people that Know something about 12 volt elec.
Well I know a fair bit about 12v electronics and I call tell you this.
12v electronics don't really matter.
This was proven when Street A was won with 1 batt and a Crown. It doesn't matter how many volts the amp was seeing nor does it matter how many watts it was putting out. If you knew that information the result would still be the same. HE WON.
So many people think you need massive amounts of reserve battery power to run these huge amps but it was just proven (and has been proven by others) that you don't. 1 batt will hold more then enough power for a couple burps and thats all you need to win.
Yes, you run the risk of smoking your amp because of voltage loss, but clearly that won't happen with only one batt because again: Street A was won with a Crown.
# of volts and # of watts doesn't matter if you win. You still won.
Ok Let me put it this way, everyone seems to miss the point. Crown won street with a big battery, try looking at my battery limit post agian. Who in hell will get a $6000.00 crown when you can get 4-D3's or 4- Mojos for under $2400 on the net New !! Hell you can get 4-9.0's for under $4900.00 I would love to see someone try to run 2 Crowns on a 600 inch battery, hell even one Crown.
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P.S. 1 he would have done a 151.6 without the amp which is what he was doing before he entered the door with a 9.0, 2 not everyone will be able to make that amp work I promise, and 3 he would have still gotten second place
The point is, I'd like to see some fit 2 of them in a vehicle. Last year the argument was we should ban CRXs, what shoudl the argument be this year, ban Mountainers because they have enough room to fit crowns and crxs dont lol. Or maybe we shoudl just try to change the rules so people can get more power cheaper by allowing the use of internally straped amps, I hope the people in charge of dbdrag will see how bad of an idea this really would be and see that in the end they would be killing themselves.
So you guys know this the crown has been 1 year of planning in the making, we knew they worked last year but a skipped cdchanger made everyone think that it fell on its face lol, you should have tested, like I said though. lets see you fit one in a crx and still be able to do a good number and or fit 2 in a vehilce. GIve people something to complain about and they will. At least JBL actual took the time to build a true single amp that does power instead of trying to side step the rules and cheat their way to a championship. A good product comes along and people still complain. Get over it.
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I agree and think that the amp limit rule should be lifted all together or smaller battery limit for lower classes. SOrry for the multiple posts
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quote:Originally posted by orphan440: I agree and think that the amp limit rule should be lifted all together or smaller battery limit for lower classes. SOrry for the multiple posts
I agree. the point is not that a crown won street A. my point is that street A was supposed to be the entry level class. why set a high price standard for this class. if you enforce the battery rule and lift the amp rule. we will be able to more effisiontly use the battery power we are provided with.
I am not sure if any of this makes sense. I can kinda drunk right now. lol.
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i think they sould leave the rules as is. every one know dbdrag is not a entry level class. if you want entry level make a new class. like usaci has basic stock. super stock and pro stock. basic stock is for one bat. super stock says you can add bats and even 16 volts. but no sponserd cars and pro is for shop workers and sponsered cars.
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you want an entry level class. make em use a factory bat. no dry cell seeled bats. i mean most street cars do not have upgraded bats they just have subs and amps usualy one amp and 10's 12's or 15's but no more than two subs. i work at a shop and thats what i see most of the time. very few people buy deep cycle bats. for the street. thats just my thoughts make them have a factory electical system for a entry level class
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street a amplification ruling, we have battery size limit ok, farad limits lift it, do like iasca does for their street class one cap per amp per sub , but this would again have a amplifier problem yet again , either have amplification restriction for street a class ,limit what amps can be ran ,but this would cause more head aches for judges ,longer time in lanes for being judged, i say we need to make street a ,a back to basic class , say no more than total of 2400 watt of power , with current batery size lmitation, up the cap ruling up to ten farads ,and up the speaker wire from 2 to 4 , power limiation would be nice to see , this way you could have mulipible amps ..
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quote:Originally posted by audiobuffru1: street a amplification ruling, we have battery size limit ok, farad limits lift it, do like iasca does for their street class one cap per amp per sub , but this would again have a amplifier problem yet again , either have amplification restriction for street a class ,limit what amps can be ran ,but this would cause more head aches for judges ,longer time in lanes for being judged, i say we need to make street a ,a back to basic class , say no more than total of 2400 watt of power , with current batery size lmitation, up the cap ruling up to ten farads ,and up the speaker wire from 2 to 4 , power limiation would be nice to see , this way you could have mulipible amps ..
a workable power cap is the only way to go...but how would it be done....?
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street a would be no more than 3000 watts of power no more than 10 farads of capsity battery no more than 800 sq inches speaker conductor no more than 4 speakers 3-8",2-10",1-12" by using manufacture rating of amplifiers at the max load of amplifier eg, rockford fosate t30001db amp is rated 2000 watts @ 2 ohm load mono vs a mtx thunder 1501 is rated 1500 watts @ 2 ohm load vs the kicker kx1200.1 whichis rated at 1200 watts @ 1 ohm load ..... by giving a wattage rate for the classes also for street b and street c, this way multiple amps could be used ,as long as it was under the power rating of class just a rough idea i have ,my opinion , i know we all want see sport grow and get more crossover from isaca and meca and usac would be close as it gets this way i feel many of you may not agree but there needs tobe a line drawn some were thanks for letting me post my opinion
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quote:Originally posted by GameOverStreetA: you want an entry level class. make em use a factory bat. no dry cell seeled bats. i mean most street cars do not have upgraded bats they just have subs and amps usualy one amp and 10's 12's or 15's but no more than two subs. i work at a shop and thats what i see most of the time. very few people buy deep cycle bats. for the street. thats just my thoughts make them have a factory electical system for a entry level class
2 years ago I did a 152.6 at World Finals with a stock Interstate acid battery in the stock battery tray. 2-12's and 2-D2's. My point is that the battery isn't everything. You can't rely on the battery as being what makes your vehicle entry level or not.
quote:Originally posted by orphan440: I agree and think that the amp limit rule should be lifted all together or smaller battery limit for lower classes. SOrry for the multiple posts
I agree. the point is not that a crown won street A. my point is that street A was supposed to be the entry level class. why set a high price standard for this class. if you enforce the battery rule and lift the amp rule. we will be able to more effisiontly use the battery power we are provided with.
I am not sure if any of this makes sense. I can kinda drunk right now. lol.
People that think that dB Drag Street is an entry level class is fooling themselves. Just add up the MSRP of any street competitors at WF. thats a lot of cash!
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Personally, I think that the rules should remain the way tey are. At the most lower the size of the battery in street A, but I don't think that should be done either.
What is the issue here, so what he won with a Crown and that it was 1.2 louder than a 9.0. When did the 9.0 come out, 2-3 years ago. Did you think that a better amp wouldn't com along? This is the nature of the sport and of the industry as a whole. Keep pushing the technology forward to try and make your company the best in the eyes of the consumer. As far as the Hifonics amp goes, I think that they made the effort to make it one amp unlike the 4kw and some others. I say as long as it is built into one true chasis then it should be considered one amp.
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hey im not going to lie i gained like kevin said 1.2. i guess we where the only team that had faith in that amp. even some jbl guys said it wouldnt work. i tried it and it worked just got there before anybody else.
yeah lets lift the amp rule and make street a a beginner level class cause i can go out and buy some cheap crap amps for 2,000. while i stay in entry level with 2 4KW's on TWO solo X's. it will not be fair. any way you look at it. leave the rules alone
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At the end of the day you cannot get an entry level street class, unless you bring back mini street. People will tend to the cheapest class to be competitive in, and that is street. The only way you are going to get an entry level class is if you exclude all the people who want to be highly competitive. Thus have mini street and exclude all the serious competitors from it and make them compete in street.
I think alot of people are looking at it from the wrong prospective and do not understand the dynamics of it, You cannot regulate against human nature, you just have to deal with it and make allowances for it, interms of the class setups.
If you think you can regulate against human nature, just look at history, many people have tried and almost all in the end have failed.
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quote:Originally posted by k-otic24-7: Screw the list. # of batts will get you in the end thats our true limits. With the crown, the Cfire 4000, ph5000. those mean amps are barely able to operate for that one burp or two so who cares if there is two in one chassis to save the company money (colossus, double d etc). I say do away with the amp limit all together and just keep limiting # of batteries and of course # and size of woofers.
Street A was just won with a Crown and ONE battery Blows your theory out the water.
D5 will run fine off of one Yellow Top for a few Burps.
Sheesh a few burps... I put my D5 to probably about 100 burps off of one Stinger SPV 44 battery and it was just doing fine, and strong
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