We all saw how much controversy this created during the season. A CLEAR definition must be made as to what constitues a single amplifier to settle things once and for all.
We need more than a list of current amps though Steve. What about any amps that are released during the season? Look how many controversial amps were released just in the latter half of the 2004 season.
A list is all well and good, but a clear definition must be made as to what constitutes a single amp, otherwise we will keep running into the same problems we did last year.
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Screw the list. # of batts will get you in the end thats our true limits. With the crown, the Cfire 4000, ph5000. those mean amps are barely able to operate for that one burp or two so who cares if there is two in one chassis to save the company money (colossus, double d etc). I say do away with the amp limit all together and just keep limiting # of batteries and of course # and size of woofers.
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quote:Originally posted by k-otic24-7: Screw the list. # of batts will get you in the end thats our true limits. With the crown, the Cfire 4000, ph5000. those mean amps are barely able to operate for that one burp or two so who cares if there is two in one chassis to save the company money (colossus, double d etc). I say do away with the amp limit all together and just keep limiting # of batteries and of course # and size of woofers.
Street A was just won with a Crown and ONE battery Blows your theory out the water.
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quote:Originally posted by k-otic24-7: Screw the list. # of batts will get you in the end thats our true limits. With the crown, the Cfire 4000, ph5000. those mean amps are barely able to operate for that one burp or two so who cares if there is two in one chassis to save the company money (colossus, double d etc). I say do away with the amp limit all together and just keep limiting # of batteries and of course # and size of woofers.
Street A was just won with a Crown and ONE battery Blows your theory out the water.
D5 will run fine off of one Yellow Top for a few Burps.
quote:Originally posted by k-otic24-7: Screw the list. # of batts will get you in the end thats our true limits. With the crown, the Cfire 4000, ph5000. those mean amps are barely able to operate for that one burp or two so who cares if there is two in one chassis to save the company money (colossus, double d etc). I say do away with the amp limit all together and just keep limiting # of batteries and of course # and size of woofers.
Street A was just won with a Crown and ONE battery Blows your theory out the water.
D5 will run fine off of one Yellow Top for a few Burps.
Sheesh a few burps... I put my D5 to probably about 100 burps off of one Stinger SPV 44 battery and it was just doing fine, and strong
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HOw hard would it be to make an amp list. I mean seriously. There are not that many no name amps out their that are running in the assoc. All we have to do is e-mail all of the main names and ask them some questions and compile a list.
I think 5 months ago I mentioned allowing everyone list what amps they run and hire a third person company, away from a competitior, db drag, and the companies to test all these amps to show what they can really do and make a list out of that. I think raising the current members price 1-3 dollars would cover the expense.
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quote:Originally posted by Team Urban ArtFx: screw the amp limit. just do a battery limit.
We have a battery limit right now and we are still having amps problems. HOw will a batt limit make the judges life any better? Now they will have to check batteries. And making different size batteries legal for each class is kind of not the main basis for a sound competition
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quote:Originally posted by Team Urban ArtFx: screw the amp limit. just do a battery limit.
We have a battery limit right now and we are still having amps problems. HOw will a batt limit make the judges life any better? Now they will have to check batteries. And making different size batteries legal for each class is kind of not the main basis for a sound competition
It will make it cheaper and you can only get so much power out of a battery, I don't care what amp your using or how many.
How much power do you think you would get if you were running 4-Mojos at .5-.7 ohm on one battery that is 600 inches (a little bigger than a Optima D34) ?
quote:Originally posted by Team Urban ArtFX - Percy:
quote:Originally posted by Bryan Gibson:
quote:Originally posted by Team Urban ArtFx: screw the amp limit. just do a battery limit.
We have a battery limit right now and we are still having amps problems. HOw will a batt limit make the judges life any better? Now they will have to check batteries. And making different size batteries legal for each class is kind of not the main basis for a sound competition
It will make it cheaper and you can only get so much power out of a battery, I don't care what amp your using or how many.
How much power do you think you would get if you were running 4-Mojos at .5-.7 ohm on one battery that is 600 inches (a little bigger than a Optima D34) ?
Considering Street A was won with a Crown.. I think you can get plenty of power out of 1 battery.
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quote:Originally posted by Team Urban ArtFX - Percy:
quote:Originally posted by Bryan Gibson:
quote:Originally posted by Team Urban ArtFx: screw the amp limit. just do a battery limit.
We have a battery limit right now and we are still having amps problems. HOw will a batt limit make the judges life any better? Now they will have to check batteries. And making different size batteries legal for each class is kind of not the main basis for a sound competition
It will make it cheaper and you can only get so much power out of a battery, I don't care what amp your using or how many.
How much power do you think you would get if you were running 4-Mojos at .5-.7 ohm on one battery that is 600 inches (a little bigger than a Optima D34) ?
Considering Street A was won with a Crown.. I think you can get plenty of power out of 1 battery.
That does not mean anything. any amp will run as long as it has 12 supply. Do you know how much power he was getting ? He was not getting 6000 watts or anything near it.
Let get some input from people that Know something about 12 volt elec.
"I believe we should probably remove the restrictions on the internal construction of the amp. The battery and conductor rule is probably sufficient."
"I agree. I think we should probably do away with this rule as it is already covered by the conductor and / or battery limitation."
I do not really see any other option other than remove the amp limit in street to make it viable without any BS, If the amp number limitations remain, manufacturers will be realeasing 2 amps in a single heat sink like the Hifonics.
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quote:Originally posted by Team Urban ArtFX - Percy:
quote:Originally posted by JordyO:
quote:Originally posted by Team Urban ArtFX - Percy:
quote:Originally posted by Bryan Gibson:
quote:Originally posted by Team Urban ArtFx: screw the amp limit. just do a battery limit.
We have a battery limit right now and we are still having amps problems. HOw will a batt limit make the judges life any better? Now they will have to check batteries. And making different size batteries legal for each class is kind of not the main basis for a sound competition
It will make it cheaper and you can only get so much power out of a battery, I don't care what amp your using or how many.
How much power do you think you would get if you were running 4-Mojos at .5-.7 ohm on one battery that is 600 inches (a little bigger than a Optima D34) ?
Considering Street A was won with a Crown.. I think you can get plenty of power out of 1 battery.
That does not mean anything. any amp will run as long as it has 12 supply. Do you know how much power he was getting ? He was not getting 6000 watts or anything near it.
Let get some input from people that Know something about 12 volt elec.
Well I know a fair bit about 12v electronics and I call tell you this.
12v electronics don't really matter.
This was proven when Street A was won with 1 batt and a Crown. It doesn't matter how many volts the amp was seeing nor does it matter how many watts it was putting out. If you knew that information the result would still be the same. HE WON.
So many people think you need massive amounts of reserve battery power to run these huge amps but it was just proven (and has been proven by others) that you don't. 1 batt will hold more then enough power for a couple burps and thats all you need to win.
Yes, you run the risk of smoking your amp because of voltage loss, but clearly that won't happen with only one batt because again: Street A was won with a Crown.
# of volts and # of watts doesn't matter if you win. You still won.
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Any one thinking that maybee he would have won with another little smaller amp??? Could be possible that he had the victory with a 9.0 for exampel...
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