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3-8c Seats may be folded for competition, but may not be removed from the vehicle. Competitors who fold their seats must be able to demonstrate that the installation of the sound system does not interfere with the normal operation of the seats that were folded.
in street (specifically B) this is the only mention i see about seats.
my question, has been and still is (though i dont recall ever seeing an answer)
in a 4 door trunk car, with NON folding rear seats, CAN the rear seat be folded forward, so long as it remains in the vehicle, just like any car that DOES have rear folding seats.
OR
can the rear seat back be replaced with a seat back that does in fact fold? this would be an oem equivalent replacement, as it would stil lperform the same function as any of the other trunk cars with rear folding seats.
there are several trunk cars that are in street classes, but i noticed almost everyone of them has rear folding seats. as you can imagine, having a nice big cushion in front of your subs, hinders your score a little bit.
not asking for any special treatment here, or trying to bend any rules, but as i read the rules, there is nothing telling me i CANT do it.
but im not going to build my new install, and bust my butt only to show up at finals and find out my seat has to be different than it was (will be) all season.
i have no problem with replacing wit ha true folding seat.. BUT, is that allowed? it would be an OEM equivalent. it would actually be from the same manufacturer, and same mdoel car thanks judges for an answer to this.
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bah! and look like a fool up against the big boys
and spend MORE money... nahhhhhh i'd buy a new car first.. it'd be CHEAPER !!!!
lol..
thanks for the reply steve.
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Steve, I think that this rules needs looked at. All that we are doing is detering possible competitors with this. I agree that non folding seats should not be altered by a competitor to make them fold or lay down as that is a severe modification. BUT, what if Joe Blow owns a 98 Intrepid and the vehicle he has doesn't have folding seats. Yet, that year Intrepid can come from the factory with 60/40 folding seats as an option. I believe that Mr. Blow should be able purchase the folding seats from his local dealer and compete in the Street classes.
i mean its not like im asking if i can remove my rear seat and replace it with a folding golf cart seat or something.
im talking about removing an existing OEM non folding seat, with an OEM seat, from the car manufacturer, meant for that car.
i can take my car to the buick dealer and say, remove my back seat, and install the folding seat option. ITS AN OEM REPLACEMENT. not even an oem equivalent, its a factory replacment.
some saturns have folding seats, some dont.
some stratus have folding seats, some dont.
some neons have folding seats, some dont.
some regals have folding seats, some dont.
if its a factory part, meant for that car, then how is it any different than replacing the factory head unit with an aftermarket. or replacing the factory rear view mirror with a different one.
my car COULD have had folding seats. but the person who bought it new, chose not to get folding seats. so that means i have a few choices.
deal with forever low numbers since the seat is in the way.
or
remove the seat and move up to street max, and spend more money that i dont have to compete against someone running a pair of 18's against my pair of 12's
or
go to buick and get THIER folding rear seat option and install it or have it installed.
or
give up on dbdrag because there's no point in a beginner trying to compete against veterans who knew what they were gettin into and chose thier cars for their class. - yet another newbie/potential long time competitor chased away because the rules say he cant replace his seat with another seat from the car manufacturer. but wait.... no the rules DO NOT say that anywhere... now do they?
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You can replace the seat with a folding one if it was offered from the factory. Thats what I've done. My intrepid did not have a folding seat. Yet many from the same year did. A quick trip to the junkyard and it has folding seats.
The only time I could see a problem is if the part were not a factory item.
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Now, if you hadnt mentioned it, and no one had seen your car, and you had fitted said folding seats, who would know any difference?
But, its exactly the same as someone in UK/Europe buying US spec CRX interior, losing the back seats and having a bigger box.
Its not in the spirit of the rules, even if its not really "illegal".
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quote:Originally posted by Mr Bump: Now, if you hadnt mentioned it, and no one had seen your car, and you had fitted said folding seats, who would know any difference?
But, its exactly the same as someone in UK/Europe buying US spec CRX interior, losing the back seats and having a bigger box.
Its not in the spirit of the rules, even if its not really "illegal".
No, it's different. It is a US option to have an intrepid with a folding seat, it is not a euro option to have a crx with no seat.
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I think this is a nice gray area.It allows for people to do custom stuff to their car. As long as the rule says it must be an oem seat and doesn't say that it had to come in your car he should be allowed to change it.OEM stands for original equipment manufacturer. It doesn't say that you must run the original seat just an OEM seat. Infact the rules normally say OEM or equivalent.
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I dont see the problem with doing it trunk cars are at a real disadvantage. Let them do something we are not talking about a CRX HB.
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mrbump, the reason i mentioned it was because i was told last year by multiple people that it was not allowed.
this year i see NOTHING in the rules that says its not allowed.
you wouldnt want to spend time and money doign a new install, and compete all year, to have someone tel you on the last day that its not allowed.
kinda like the colossas amps
i ask questions now, so i dont have to be pissed or out money later.
and it is vastly different than removing a rear seat in a crx.
this is a trunk car. the rear seat would still be in the car, but would be fgolding like most otehr trunk cars.
i could walk out tommorrow, sell my car, and go buy the exact same car, WITH a rear folding seat, and thats ok??? but i cant pull my seat out, and put in the folding seat?
what if i got into a car accident tommorrow, and the shop had to replace my front seat, is it no longer legal because the front seat was swapped out? what about my front and back windows? they are no longer oem windows, they have been replaced due to stone chips. what if the back end of my car was destroyed, and the shop doign the repair work could not get thier hands on a non folding seat, they could only get thier hands on the folding seat from the manufacturer. then i wouldnt be legal right.
see how gray this is, not to mention, SILLY.
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quote:Originally posted by pornstar: mrbump, the reason i mentioned it was because i was told last year by multiple people that it was not allowed.
this year i see NOTHING in the rules that says its not allowed.
you wouldnt want to spend time and money doign a new install, and compete all year, to have someone tel you on the last day that its not allowed.
kinda like the colossas amps
i ask questions now, so i dont have to be pissed or out money later.
and it is vastly different than removing a rear seat in a crx.
this is a trunk car. the rear seat would still be in the car, but would be fgolding like most otehr trunk cars.
i could walk out tommorrow, sell my car, and go buy the exact same car, WITH a rear folding seat, and thats ok??? but i cant pull my seat out, and put in the folding seat?
what if i got into a car accident tommorrow, and the shop had to replace my front seat, is it no longer legal because the front seat was swapped out? what about my front and back windows? they are no longer oem windows, they have been replaced due to stone chips. what if the back end of my car was destroyed, and the shop doign the repair work could not get thier hands on a non folding seat, they could only get thier hands on the folding seat from the manufacturer. then i wouldnt be legal right.
see how gray this is, not to mention, SILLY.
I know exactly what you mean, you have to ask these questions
Our car last year, comes with a factory option on head rests, our seats had none, yet I owned the exact same model and it had headrests.
Some lower models had the option on carpet aswell, some came without it, some had 50%.
If you dont tell anyone, theres no way of anyone knowing what was OEM in your car and nothing stopping you changing bits with other OEM parts.
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lucky for me i found someone this morning selling the exact same car, same color, everything. but this one has folding seats.
im gonna swap my equipment over to the new car lol
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quote:Originally posted by Team Livewire - Mike: Steve, I think that this rules needs looked at. All that we are doing is detering possible competitors with this. I agree that non folding seats should not be altered by a competitor to make them fold or lay down as that is a severe modification. BUT, what if Joe Blow owns a 98 Intrepid and the vehicle he has doesn't have folding seats. Yet, that year Intrepid can come from the factory with 60/40 folding seats as an option. I believe that Mr. Blow should be able purchase the folding seats from his local dealer and compete in the Street classes.
I'm going to agree. It's an OEM seat, the manufacturer makes it for that car for that purpose....no reason he shouldn't be allowed to change it out.
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I think trunk cars with seats that don't fold down should be allowed to fold them anyway by unbolting them, this is a stupid rule that is hurting truck cars.
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