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when entering finals i think the judges should take pics of ALL cars, and list all equipment. it would not have to be more than say, 4 pics.
1-car and owner/operator 2-amp rack 3-subs/enclosure 4-interior(mainly extreme)
list of batt, alt, head unit, amps, subs.
this would help with a few things. it will encourage better looking installs. it will help when someone is acused of swapping equipment. it will give the manufacturers a lot more credit for their products.
then make a finals page with the pics/info of all the finalists on it.
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You have to list all the equipment in your vehicle and sign it, its on the back of your dash card for finals.
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quote:Originally posted by thumper_215: when entering finals i think the judges should take pics of ALL cars, and list all equipment. it would not have to be more than say, 4 pics.
1-car and owner/operator 2-amp rack 3-subs/enclosure 4-interior(mainly extreme)
list of batt, alt, head unit, amps, subs.
this would help with a few things. it will encourage better looking installs. it will help when someone is acused of swapping equipment. it will give the manufacturers a lot more credit for their products.
then make a finals page with the pics/info of all the finalists on it.
outside off the car an off me you can take as much pics as u want. But I'll never let anyone take a pic of my box ore the rest of the instal!!!
because then i would have worked a whole year ore longer on a nice scoring box and then everybody could simply copy it and live off my work. I don't think so !!! And I'm sure a lott of compeditors who work hard on their boxes will agree with this.
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quote:Originally posted by thumper_215: when entering finals i think the judges should take pics of ALL cars, and list all equipment. it would not have to be more than say, 4 pics.
1-car and owner/operator 2-amp rack 3-subs/enclosure 4-interior(mainly extreme)
list of batt, alt, head unit, amps, subs.
this would help with a few things. it will encourage better looking installs. it will help when someone is acused of swapping equipment. it will give the manufacturers a lot more credit for their products.
then make a finals page with the pics/info of all the finalists on it.
But I'll never let anyone take a pic of my box ore the rest of the instal!!!
because then i would have worked a whole year ore longer on a nice scoring box and then everybody could simply copy it and live off my work. I don't think so !!! And I'm sure a lott of compeditors who work hard on their boxes will agree with this.
a couple of years ago we took pictures of people's boxes to keep them from switching out boxes during World Finals. What would you do if the judges ask to do so???
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Having pictures taken and having them published is two different matters entirely.
If judges take pics, its no different to judges looking inside your car/box.
You have to trust them that the pics wont be shown to other competitors and judges have to respect the competitors wishes.
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you let them crawl in and pick apart any detail they want right? so what would be the issue of them having a photo for them to review when you get into the lanes?
i personally didnt see it, but i HEARD of a lot of people changing out amps, subs, and more at finals. going so far as switching to another manufacturer after brackets were set. but i didnt see anyone get dq'd for it.
like i said, this is only something i HEARD, but still, if it DID in fact happen, then SOMETHING isn't working right with the way its being done now.
sure, you have to list your equipment when you register, BUT, is every piece of equipment being checked when judges prejudge your car? is every piece of equipment being checked EVERYTIME you enter the lane?
i know its not.
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I know some people that switched and I also know that Willie Collier was DQed becase his woofers blew and didnt have time to recone them, And put another manf. woofer in to finish the final round. He didnt gain nothing on the SPl and wasnt done to gain on the spl just didnt want to go up there and not even put up a score. He didnt relize that they changed the rule in the rule book and neither did I!! I went without a recone thinking that if it blew I could change it out with another 18 I didnt know that it had to be the same Manf. I really felt bad for him, but I guess that we should have read the rules a little better, But we didnt know that they were only changed in the rule book not the net. But anyway that was then and this is now.
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i realize that the peopel at the top in each class or overprotective of thier ideas and what not, but i see alot of them telling anyone they can crawl in with a tape measure if they want.
as for the rest, or comments like the one above from twilight angel, lets be serious here for a minute, this is a HOBBY, remember.. its not rocket science, you aren't selling goverment secrets or creating nuclear weapons. its car audio for gods sake.
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Johnny--does your dash card do anything for the manufacturers? how do sponsers know if you are running the stuff they give you?
Steve--what wont work about it?
ArtFx--how much more time would it take, 2 min?
Angel--if you dont want to, dont go to finals.
some of you are taking this the wrong way. im not saying take pics of the details or taking measurments of anything. this idea is mainly for the equipment.
i went to finals in 03 and to tell you the truth it sucked from a spectators point of view. half the cars there were shut most of the time. i asked to take pics of hughes, owens, and many other big names' cars without a problem, yet some acted like they would kick my azz when i asked.
i'm sure companies like RE or Rockford would love to be able to tell potential costumers, "check out this webpage and see how we did at DB Drag finals"
like pornstar said "its not rocket science, you aren't selling goverment secrets or creating nuclear weapons. its car audio for gods sake" some of you need to lighten up, and start having fun.
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Thumper, some people don't like pics taken of their stuff, they work hard to get loud and don't want anyone else stealing their ideas. Most people that give you equipment are at finals, and they will come over to check out your vehicle, take pictures, etc.
Boomerextreme the rule was in the rulebook, and on the net. It's over and done.
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quote:Originally posted by thumper_215: Johnny--does your dash card do anything for the manufacturers? how do sponsers know if you are running the stuff they give you?
Steve--what wont work about it?
ArtFx--how much more time would it take, 2 min?
Angel--if you dont want to, dont go to finals.
some of you are taking this the wrong way. im not saying take pics of the details or taking measurments of anything. this idea is mainly for the equipment.
i went to finals in 03 and to tell you the truth it sucked from a spectators point of view. half the cars there were shut most of the time. i asked to take pics of hughes, owens, and many other big names' cars without a problem, yet some acted like they would kick my azz when i asked.
i'm sure companies like RE or Rockford would love to be able to tell potential costumers, "check out this webpage and see how we did at DB Drag finals"
like pornstar said "its not rocket science, you aren't selling goverment secrets or creating nuclear weapons. its car audio for gods sake" some of you need to lighten up, and start having fun.
even though this may fall on death ears ....
Johnny's dash card is not an 'idea', it was originally developed by myself 3 years ago. It was imposed in 2003 and 2004. Whether lanes judges did their job or not I have no idea. It purpose behind the dash card is this. When the vehicle pulls into the lane to qualify for the first time the lane judge verify's amps and subs. That information is recorded on the back of the dash card and both the lane judge and competitor sign off on it. Also listed on the back of the dash form is the rule stating that you can not swap out equipment that way there is no miscommunication.
What wont work is this. When we do our pre-judging on Friday night, you wont believe how many systems are not even put together. Some people are waiting on equipment to arrive while others are still testing different types of equipment. Waiting at the door to take pictures is great, but 50% of the time you'll be taking pictures of nothing.
in 2002 and 2003 I believe we did take some pictures of the street vehicles to prevent them from changing out boxes. This was done on a judges digital camera and pictures were deleted after the event. This still didn't work because when we were going around taking pictures some people didn't know what box they were running and asked us to come back and re-verify. We were too busy and failed to come back to some.
As far as vehicles being shut, some people show up to finals by themselfs or maybe a spouse. You can't ask or expect them to be with their vehicles all during the show. Its a show after all. People wanted to walk around and look in the booths. You can't expect them to leave their vehicles open so people can mess with their equipment. It will happen if not from competitors but from spectators.
There actually is a webpage for manufactures members to go check out. its on the dB Drag Racing website under manufactures members. They are the only ones that are able to view this page. I believe the information there is what you provide either on your stats page or information you present in your members pack for finals.
It may not be rocket science ... but I've seen other organizations also keep secrets. Its like something that is understood.
Look at NASCAR, you dont' see other teams jumping from pit to pit inspecting others vehicles. I've been to a 4x4 pull where the mechanics kept stuff covered up so spectators and other competitors couldn't see. How about auto manufactures? Do you think the engineers at Ford or Chevy let eachother look around their facility?? I was watching cable TV about a show regarding BMX bicycles. They made the comment that cameras weren't allowed in such and such an area.
Its not rocket science true, but those that have worked hard for their designs and system tricks are just as animate about what they do as those that build rockets for a living. They deserve respect.
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quote:Originally posted by thumper_215: Johnny--does your dash card do anything for the manufacturers? how do sponsers know if you are running the stuff they give you?
Steve--what wont work about it?
ArtFx--how much more time would it take, 2 min?
Angel--if you dont want to, dont go to finals.
some of you are taking this the wrong way. im not saying take pics of the details or taking measurments of anything. this idea is mainly for the equipment.
i went to finals in 03 and to tell you the truth it sucked from a spectators point of view. half the cars there were shut most of the time. i asked to take pics of hughes, owens, and many other big names' cars without a problem, yet some acted like they would kick my azz when i asked.
i'm sure companies like RE or Rockford would love to be able to tell potential costumers, "check out this webpage and see how we did at DB Drag finals"
like pornstar said "its not rocket science, you aren't selling goverment secrets or creating nuclear weapons. its car audio for gods sake" some of you need to lighten up, and start having fun.
even though this may fall on death ears ....
Johnny's dash card is not an 'idea', it was originally developed by myself 3 years ago. It was imposed in 2003 and 2004. Whether lanes judges did their job or not I have no idea. It purpose behind the dash card is this. When the vehicle pulls into the lane to qualify for the first time the lane judge verify's amps and subs. That information is recorded on the back of the dash card and both the lane judge and competitor sign off on it. Also listed on the back of the dash form is the rule stating that you can not swap out equipment that way there is no miscommunication.
What wont work is this. When we do our pre-judging on Friday night, you wont believe how many systems are not even put together. Some people are waiting on equipment to arrive while others are still testing different types of equipment. Waiting at the door to take pictures is great, but 50% of the time you'll be taking pictures of nothing.
in 2002 and 2003 I believe we did take some pictures of the street vehicles to prevent them from changing out boxes. This was done on a judges digital camera and pictures were deleted after the event. This still didn't work because when we were going around taking pictures some people didn't know what box they were running and asked us to come back and re-verify. We were too busy and failed to come back to some.
As far as vehicles being shut, some people show up to finals by themselfs or maybe a spouse. You can't ask or expect them to be with their vehicles all during the show. Its a show after all. People wanted to walk around and look in the booths. You can't expect them to leave their vehicles open so people can mess with their equipment. It will happen if not from competitors but from spectators.
There actually is a webpage for manufactures members to go check out. its on the dB Drag Racing website under manufactures members. They are the only ones that are able to view this page. I believe the information there is what you provide either on your stats page or information you present in your members pack for finals.
It may not be rocket science ... but I've seen other organizations also keep secrets. Its like something that is understood.
Look at NASCAR, you dont' see other teams jumping from pit to pit inspecting others vehicles. I've been to a 4x4 pull where the mechanics kept stuff covered up so spectators and other competitors couldn't see. How about auto manufactures? Do you think the engineers at Ford or Chevy let eachother look around their facility?? I was watching cable TV about a show regarding BMX bicycles. They made the comment that cameras weren't allowed in such and such an area.
Its not rocket science true, but those that have worked hard for their designs and system tricks are just as animate about what they do as those that build rockets for a living. They deserve respect.
quote:Originally posted by thumper_215: Johnny--does your dash card do anything for the manufacturers? how do sponsers know if you are running the stuff they give you?
Steve--what wont work about it?
ArtFx--how much more time would it take, 2 min?
Angel--if you dont want to, dont go to finals.
some of you are taking this the wrong way. im not saying take pics of the details or taking measurments of anything. this idea is mainly for the equipment.
i went to finals in 03 and to tell you the truth it sucked from a spectators point of view. half the cars there were shut most of the time. i asked to take pics of hughes, owens, and many other big names' cars without a problem, yet some acted like they would kick my azz when i asked.
i'm sure companies like RE or Rockford would love to be able to tell potential costumers, "check out this webpage and see how we did at DB Drag finals"
like pornstar said "its not rocket science, you aren't selling goverment secrets or creating nuclear weapons. its car audio for gods sake" some of you need to lighten up, and start having fun.
even though this may fall on death ears ....
Johnny's dash card is not an 'idea', it was originally developed by myself 3 years ago. It was imposed in 2003 and 2004. Whether lanes judges did their job or not I have no idea. It purpose behind the dash card is this. When the vehicle pulls into the lane to qualify for the first time the lane judge verify's amps and subs. That information is recorded on the back of the dash card and both the lane judge and competitor sign off on it. Also listed on the back of the dash form is the rule stating that you can not swap out equipment that way there is no miscommunication.
What wont work is this. When we do our pre-judging on Friday night, you wont believe how many systems are not even put together. Some people are waiting on equipment to arrive while others are still testing different types of equipment. Waiting at the door to take pictures is great, but 50% of the time you'll be taking pictures of nothing.
in 2002 and 2003 I believe we did take some pictures of the street vehicles to prevent them from changing out boxes. This was done on a judges digital camera and pictures were deleted after the event. This still didn't work because when we were going around taking pictures some people didn't know what box they were running and asked us to come back and re-verify. We were too busy and failed to come back to some.
As far as vehicles being shut, some people show up to finals by themselfs or maybe a spouse. You can't ask or expect them to be with their vehicles all during the show. Its a show after all. People wanted to walk around and look in the booths. You can't expect them to leave their vehicles open so people can mess with their equipment. It will happen if not from competitors but from spectators.
There actually is a webpage for manufactures members to go check out. its on the dB Drag Racing website under manufactures members. They are the only ones that are able to view this page. I believe the information there is what you provide either on your stats page or information you present in your members pack for finals.
It may not be rocket science ... but I've seen other organizations also keep secrets. Its like something that is understood.
Look at NASCAR, you dont' see other teams jumping from pit to pit inspecting others vehicles. I've been to a 4x4 pull where the mechanics kept stuff covered up so spectators and other competitors couldn't see. How about auto manufactures? Do you think the engineers at Ford or Chevy let eachother look around their facility?? I was watching cable TV about a show regarding BMX bicycles. They made the comment that cameras weren't allowed in such and such an area.
Its not rocket science true, but those that have worked hard for their designs and system tricks are just as animate about what they do as those that build rockets for a living. They deserve respect.
My point exactly Steve. If judges take 1 or 2 pics to prevent cheating thats understandable. They ceep them to themselfs for judging purposes only. But having full pics taken for public display on the net, never!!! Thats just my thought hé.
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Boomerextreme the rule was in the rulebook, and on the net. It's over and done. [/QB][/QUOTE] That rule was added before World finals. So if you didnt look at the rule book or on the web not knowing that it was changed that how do you know. It also sayes at reg. you can not alter the system. It sayes nothing about after quiflying. I saw lots of people changing woofers amps during the show. And how about the people that changed Ohm loads? It sayes only if the woofer is damaged! So if thats so why only 1 person get DQed for it?? And I also said that that was last year this is this year.
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quote: My point exactly Steve. If judges take 1 or 2 pics to prevent cheating thats understandable. They ceep them to themselfs for judging purposes only. But having full pics taken for public display on the net, never!!! Thats just my thought hé.
and i agree with you 100%
i wouldnt expect anyone to allow pics to be taken and displayed if they dont want them to be.
im simply talking about JUDGES taking pics for THIER referance, not for everyone elses.
you allow judges IN your cars, why not allow them pictures as well.
i understand steve's point where it can be difficult to coordinate/initiate/implement/enforce.. etc..
but, this is world finals we're talking about.
****edit**** i jsut saw the very end of the first post in regards to posting the pictures for anyone and manufactures to see. yes i DO disagre with that.
i was referring ONLY to judges having access to the photos if it were implemented.
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Ok.....I just want to make sure I understand this. You want manufacturers to contribute money and product to a sport that only 2% of the world has ever heard of but don't even want that 2% to even see the equipment that the manufacturer sponsored you with? What's in it for the manufacturer? A spectator would enjoy this how?
quote:Originally posted by thumper_215: some of you are taking this the wrong way. im not saying take pics of the details or taking measurments of anything. this idea is mainly for the equipment.
did anybody read this?
i dont care how many areoports you have in your crx box, or what the inside of your SS3-4 box looks like!!! the pics would be of the equipment ONLY.
how about making the equipment list and picture of the outside of the car required, and give them the option for putting the equipment pics on the site? would that work?
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I have to agree with thumper on this one I used to read car audio mags. and it was more interesting to read about the equipment that was ran. I dont really care to know how much air space or how much port they have. Everybody is scared to let others know what ther running, if people want to know what im running ill tell you i have to treo tsx 15 and 4 mtx 1501ds straped 1 ohm and im hitting a 149.8 yah thats it. Its in a jeep grand cherokee by the way. I remember somebody once told me that the europeans aren't as stuck up like us americans, they are willing to help each other to make everyody loud.
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I agree with Thumper. But I also understand how people just want to run what they are running and don't want the hassle of everyone bugging them. It would be simpler if everyone could just play this sport for what it is and have fun. Too many people are at each other's throat over simple things. Have fun and be loud. Be competive and be fair. If taking pictures of the equipment is what it takes to be consistent then so be it.
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