quote:Originally posted by KAL SPL: You dont have to use all 4 terminals to get the most out of the amp , they just make it easier to parrallel the coils or subs. So when you strap them you can use 2 for street A
Yes but a mono amp = 2 CONDUCTORS , so 1 (+) and 1 (-) , it's in the rulebook
quote:Originally posted by Plus160dB: Ok even if he could strap them it would only be 1600W vs 6000W but why if your amp is strappable you can use 2 and if the're not strappable only 1 ??
You cant use 2 single bridgeable/non strapable amps and only use 2 conductors.
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quote: Judges will count all discrete physical amplifiers that are used for bass reproduction, regardless of size. If two or more amplifiers are bolted together (strapped, linked, etc.), then the judge will count the number of amps that are bolted together and place the competitor in the correct class based on this determination. Judges will not classify amplifiers based on their internal construction or pc board quantity.
On the outside of f.e. the SPL EXT 4000 amplifier I see 4 CONDUCTORS
quote:Originally posted by Plus160dB: The dBDRA classifies monoblock amplifiers as amplifiers that are mono in nature, have a single input, have a single output (2 conductors), and that have the capability to be bridged with another monoblock amplifier
So if they're 4 outputs like SPL D. EXT 2000 its not an mono amplifier and only 1 can be used !
The outputs on EXT 2000Ds are internally linked. There are 4 terminals purely for the ease of wiring.
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If you read the rules Plus 160dB is right. you can only use an amp wit a singel + and a singel - Wether they are link internaly doesn't mather. That's what's in the rules now hé. What you see is what counts.
So SPL 2 or 3000 = 4 So only one of those in the street A
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Looks good,wrap it up and lets get the comps rolling,
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quote:Originally posted by Plus160dB: The dBDRA classifies monoblock amplifiers as amplifiers that are mono in nature, have a single input, have a single output (2 conductors), and that have the capability to be bridged with another monoblock amplifier
So if they're 4 outputs like SPL D. EXT 2000 its not an mono amplifier and only 1 can be used !
The rule says: single output (2 conductors). A conductor is something different than a connectionterminal. I think they mean with "single output", one mono-signal.
We just need a clarification from the judges commitee
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i dont even think clarification is needed. people are simply being a pain because they want to.
ANYONE who knows car audio knows that a MONO amp with 4 connection terminals is not 4 outputs. its 2 outputs, pos and neg. there are two of them, so that you can run a set to each voice coil for aesthitic reasons if you like.
they are bridged internally. everyone knows this.
rules are final. we all understand them. quit bitchin, move on, and go build.
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That's not true pornstar. I am not being a pain, I just read that after plus 160dB posted it, didn't see it at first.
Rules are indeed final, but if you read them, plus 160dB has a point, I just said it now to get a clarification on that from Wayne. so ther will be no discutions on that later this year.
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quote:Originally posted by Plus160dB: @ pornstar , it's written in the rules that judges don't look INSIDE the amps , most Mono - amps have 4 conductors on the outside ...
No, not conductors, terminals.
Theres a difference.
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Its not two seperate outputs. The terminals are electrically identical.
Its one summed/paired/joined set of outputs.
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quote:Originally posted by Team PSI - David: If you make this rule you will see me in Street B with 4 strapped Hifonics Goliath 5kw amps. That really cuts down the cost of amps now doesnt it!?
Leave the rules alone! Count 1 legitimately made amplifier (even with 2 boards inside) as one amp, and call it a day.
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no, most mo amps DO NOT have four CONDUCTORS. they have four TERMINALS
do you somehow not understand the differance?
yes there is a place to connect for wires. but its not left and right. its simply mono. pos and neg. and a second set for another speaker, another ovice coil, whatever. but its still nto a second channel.
you know this as well as anyone else does. and anyone who tries toget around it and cheat, doesnt deserve to compete in dbdrag.
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If you allow 8 amps (ie 8 x SPL Dymnamics EXT3000s, ie 24,000 watts in Street C) please limit battery size a bit more. You can do this in street, ie make it say 600 cu inch, or whatever a Stinger SP1700 is, still group 31 footprint, but a little less tall, and allow Street MAX to run the Stinger SP2150 size, ie group 31 footprint, but taller (nearly 800)
Most Street competitors need to make alterations to the engine bay to squeeze in a 800cu inch battery, this should be reason alone to linit it to 600 cu inch.
I see Street MAX is fine to run 800cu inch, as this is a bigger class.
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This all kinda sux. I really see no reason for the change at all. I guess people in the world aren't all that smart =/
It's really quite simple, the old rules, the SPL Dynamics amp was a great choice for street a, now it's a horrible choice, you need 2 of them to be a good choice.
I see that now you can run 2 1000 watt amps, but still, that person is gonna get their butt handed to them.
As for building up in the year, buy one 1000 watt amp, save money, sell that 1000 watt amp and buy 1 big amp like the SPL Dynamics.
I for one think this is a horrible decision. I don't know how it helps anyone.
I guess maybe since everyone will be running double the power, the scores will go up and make things more exciting?? That is the only benefit I can see.
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quote:Originally posted by Twilight Angel: If you read the rules Plus 160dB is right. you can only use an amp wit a singel + and a singel - Wether they are link internaly doesn't mather. That's what's in the rules now hé. What you see is what counts.
So SPL 2 or 3000 = 4 So only one of those in the street A
You are wrong, that is not what the rule says. It says you can only have 2 conductors from the amp(s) to the subs. With this being the case, you can run 2 strappable amps, the positive conductor is connected to one amp, and the negative conductor to the other. Nowhere does it say anything about how many terminals are on the amp.
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