quote:Originally posted by Wayne Harris: I know this topic has been discussed for a long time but I am not happy with outcome of these discussions.
I have been analyzing this issue for a long time now and I believe most of you know my perspective. I believe that the best solutions is as follows...
1 amp (or 2 monoblock amps externally bridged) in Street A
2 amps (or 4 monoblock amps externally bridged) in Street B
4 amps (or 8 monoblock amps externally bridged)in Street C
Continue with the conductor and battery restrictions.
Benefits
Existing competitors are not prohibited from competing.
Monoblock amplifiers are less expensive than "monster" amps
Competitors could start the season with a single amp and then add-on as the season progresses.
More amplifier brands would be competitive.
The same methodology would be used for Street Max.
I would like to reduce the allowable battery size but it is my understanding that everyone is using the Yellow-top batteries and they are 780 in^3 in size.
I would like to ask the moderators to delete any responses that do not include rational, objective information or that are derogatory in nature.
Thanks in advance.
I like every bit of it But keep de battery size the same
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quote:Originally posted by pornstar: on conclusives post:
my only problem with a "list" of legal amps, is what what mentioned in a later post, "count the amps in street a, etc.. and there were only 10 amps, which would make it easy for judges to know what is legal and what is not" or something to that affect....
if you think about it, street a is SUPPOSED to attract newbies.. what if they dont go out and buy the big money amp, they buy some off brand no name amp that nobody cares about for 100 bucks. its not LIKELY to be on the "list" so they would not be legal to run with thier generic no name amp, that couldnt hold a candle to the big boys anyway. or even something that wouldnt normally be on the list.. like say a DEI 1500D mono amp.. its not likely to be on the list, because "everyone" isnt running it. etc...
I think you mis-understoof my post. I am not for making a list of legal amps. Just size limits. The fact is that 'most' national level street guy only use a handful of amps, and judges will eventually recognize these amps as legal (by size) immediately.
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1 amp (or 2 monoblock amps externally bridged) in Street A
2 amps (or 4 monoblock amps externally bridged) in Street B
4 amps (or 8 monoblock amps externally bridged)in Street C
I would like to reduce the allowable battery size but it is my understanding that everyone is using the Yellow-top batteries and they are 780 in^3 in size.
What exactly do you mean with : 1 amp (or 2 monoblock amps externally bridged) in Street A
1 amp like the crown , or 2 single 1000D strappable amps ? 1 amp like the crown , or 1 double amp ( example: spl D ext 4000 ) ?
Keeping the batt size the same would be nice , alot of us bought a new batt at the end of 2004 .
Thank you .
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I think this is the one Wayne, on a larger scale than just guys going to finals, but the bigger picture when you take into consideration the smaller competitors, this should encourage more to compete with the non-monster amps. Also, it might not be a bad idea to limit the battery in just street A, to keep the guys with non-monster amps competitive.
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Dont punich the street A guys they have 800 cf batterys , if they want to go to street B they have to buy another batt again .
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If you make this rule you will see me in Street B with 4 strapped Hifonics Goliath 5kw amps. That really cuts down the cost of amps now doesnt it!?
Leave the rules alone! Count 1 legitimately made amplifier (even with 2 boards inside) as one amp, and call it a day.
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As a newbie..this idea makes sense. It allows me a choice: Go big or build up. It also forces one to get every .10 db by going back to the basics of box design. Great choice Wayne.
As for those who complain about the stacked amp..lets be real..the avg person can see that its 2 seperate amps bolted together. Why beat this dead horse..when we could be building for the season.
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we use amps (monoblock) they are not strappable can we use 8 of them or can we us only 4 then ????
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What about 2 NON-STRAPPABLE amps ? So you can use 2 monoblocks strapped thats 1 (+) and 1 (-) , it's same amount of amps but 4 conductors instead of 2 ...
If an amplifier is not strappable, then it is not a true mono amp, therefore it must ALREADY BE STRAPPED INSIDE. This is not gospel, but that is the reasoning behind this rule. This is the fairest way to put it as far as I see. If you do 2 strapped or 2 non strapped and allow double conductors for non strapped,then you'll see 4 strapped amps in 2 chassis to bypass the rule.
I am sure you understand this, you are just pushing to give you an advantage... suck it up.
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I don't think this is a good idea. There are mono blocks that are just as powerful as a single amps on the market and being able to have two of them doubles you cost of power. By having this rule you'll just make it more expensive for people to be competitive. For example, I compete in street A and if I want to be competitive by finals I will need to by 2 phd5000, or 2 RF t30001's, or 2 orion 2500d's. The list goes on.
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I like it wayne, me as a competition "newbie" this is more attractive then having one big O' amp in St A. I think DB drag as a business would see alot more people with this ruling. yea it may cost an arm and leg more to go to finals. but I don't think DB drag would survive if every thing was just about world finals. think about all the 1xer's that have alot of people that don't go to finals. this is alot easier ruling to work with then last years rules from a "Newcomers" perspective.
and for the battery drop it down to 600ci for street A so things don't get out of hand. most auto retailers don't even carry the group 31's in stock. I see more G34's in "streetable" systems and on retail shelfs then G31's.
also on another note. increase the cap size to like 5farads. it really sucks to see some kid get bumped to SS and get his butt handed to him by more then 10DBs just because he had 2 or more 1farad caps in his daily system...
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This rule is very simple, you guys are trying to make it complicated. If your amp is strappable, you can use another one, if it is not, you can only use one.
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quote:Originally posted by Broken Silence - Johnny: This rule is very simple, you guys are trying to make it complicated. If your amp is strappable, you can use another one, if it is not, you can only use one.
well said!!
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The dBDRA classifies monoblock amplifiers as amplifiers that are mono in nature, have a single input, have a single output (2 conductors), and that have the capability to be bridged with another monoblock amplifier
So if they're 4 outputs like SPL D. EXT 2000 its not an mono amplifier and only 1 can be used !
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