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Yes we also want to know that. what is intent of this rule about litation of bolt tabs?
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I don't see any good reason why that kind of structures (like in that drawing) should be illegal at season 2005. If minimum height of cabin is currently 30" and you are allow to put 2" metal to roof and 2" metal to floor then height of door opening is 26" and that is enough big. Also 2" add on to pillar or a-pillar doesn't make door opening too small.
My point is follow: It would be insane to force rebuilding guys their ext car door boltings if it is builded strong and well sealed instead of that we should support to another competitors to do same way.
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I think we all know that, the extreme cars should be as air tight as possible, so I hope you judges understant our point of view in this manner. I hope that we can keep it that way, it´s best for all extreme competitors. ( 2" sounds good )
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Extreme competitors may install “bolt tabs” or a “bolt strip” (for securing the doors) along the perimeter of the door openings provided the maximum width of each tab or strip is less than 2 inches (5.08 cm). If a bolt tab or bolt strip is attached to the B-Pillar, it must be easily removable to permit compliance with the “string test”.
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dBSteve Get Loud Productions LLC Posts: 8595 | From: Midwest | Registered: Aug 2000
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quote:Originally posted by dBSteve: I told everyone that I was workin' on it
Extreme competitors may install “bolt tabs” or a “bolt strip” (for securing the doors) along the perimeter of the door openings provided the maximum width of each tab or strip is less than 2 inches (5.08 cm). If a bolt tab or bolt strip is attached to the B-Pillar, it must be easily removable to permit compliance with the “string test”.
Better add a maximum depth of this strip too Steve.
Can it be 2" wide then go into the car 6"?
Or should it be maximum 2" X 2"?
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quote:Originally posted by Rip Rock: Can this bolt tab or bolt strip be used only for bolts to sucure the doors? Or can it be used to help seal up the cabin?
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quote:Originally posted by Rip Rock: Can this bolt tab or bolt strip be used only for bolts to sucure the doors? Or can it be used to help seal up the cabin?
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both ... I would say 2" x 2" would be the max measurements.
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We perfectly understand reason to limit these tabs and lips. Tonight Marko and I measured what 2" rule to strip of our Extreme 5+ Volvo would mean. I have few photos to show that we have problem with only 2". Reason is that when doorwindow is 4" thick and you have to build your structure so door can actually close and open. Window is now build as big as possible to fit rules. And when you close the door it allmost hits orginal B-pilar. So mainproblem is that with 2" strip to seal the door in B-pilar line we have only about 3/8 inch to surface for sealant. And it's even worst in area where B-pilar makes curve
Considering that window area actually makes it impossible to build little over 3" b-pilar line strip and since when we have hinged doors that make curve when opening we suggest that "tab" or "strip" should be 3" in B-pilar line so it would make possible to make deasent sealantsurface.
We know that 3" looks and feels lot but it's not when you have 4" window. Situation would be even worst if we would have 6" door build in. It really curves so much!
here you can see that windowsframe corner allmost touches orginal B-pilar when door is closed. there's like 1/64 inch in between..
here you can see that 2" (about 5cm) is like half way there. That b-pilar lip,strip,whatever is made of L-steel about 2"x3,5"
here you can see the window that is just about big enough to fit window area rule.. and in inside the lip/strip isn't even in the line with window, it's further back...
We'd really hope that Wayne, Steve and other judges would think this occasion to make it really fair to all of us.
Extreme competitor, check yours... you might remember it too positively....
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Hello there: considering the importance of keep the car strong and seal as well, I like the idea of at least 3" or 4" If we are allow to bwild in 6" on the door, I asume we are also allow to do on a A pilar as well as B pilar for a properly air flow instead of having a big opening betwin the box and the door bwild up and the door bwild up and the winshield. An other point is, what is the diference of bwild 100% the door versus 85% the dor and 15 % arround the door to be bwild on the cabin as long it complaiance whit the string test and 3" maximum bwild down on the roof part and the 13"X30" pasanger area. Helps on keeping the door a bit ligther. make it simple how abot 4" 5" or 6" bwild in from the iner skin of the car including glass area and then leave 13'X30" for driver and pasanger and do what ever you want whit the rest of the space lefth, as long it compliance whithin the rules of the extreme interios, such is dash, center console.
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good point! After all the main purpose is get your doors well sealed not to get all free space out of your cabin! In our car the seal "strip" is between the door panel and B-pillar so it goes inside the cabin only material thikness. 3" sounds good becouse the "strip" is removable for the string test. We hope that you will take a note about this situation. We know that the intent of the rule is that the competitor(s) can´t build their door openings too small. let´s think about this: competitor use window thikness only 2" and his door panel is 6" - in the B-pillar curve there is 4" horisontal separation.??? with all kind of "Strips" the 13" free space will remain between the "strip" and center console because they are in the car during the audition.
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Now it becomes clear, we're not trying to change the rules of db drag for the betterment of the whole, we are trying to make it so our personal cars are louder.
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We personaly believe that there shoudn`t be any bolt tabs or strips. But if it passes the rules then we will use them to help seal our cab better. And we do have 4" windows all the way around, it`s a pain to seal up the doors for shure.
quote:Originally posted by Team Loud / Saaristo: good point! After all the main purpose is get your doors well sealed not to get all free space out of your cabin! In our car the seal "strip" is between the door panel and B-pillar so it goes inside the cabin only material thikness. 3" sounds good becouse the "strip" is removable for the string test. We hope that you will take a note about this situation. We know that the intent of the rule is that the competitor(s) can´t build their door openings too small. let´s think about this: competitor use window thikness only 2" and his door panel is 6" - in the B-pillar curve there is 4" horisontal separation.??? with all kind of "Strips" the 13" free space will remain between the "strip" and center console because they are in the car during the audition.
I don't know about everyone else, but I am noticing a pattern from db warrior and team loud...Well my car will be louder if we make the rules this way, so lets do it. It's not about what works for you, its about what is easiest to judge, and whats best for db drag.
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quote:Originally posted by Broken Silence - Johnny: I don't know about everyone else, but I am noticing a pattern from db warrior and team loud...Well my car will be louder if we make the rules this way, so lets do it. It's not about what works for you, its about what is easiest to judge, and whats best for db drag.
You are absolutely right. All our suggestions make only our cars to louder and everybody elses cars worse. Also everybodys knows that we don't give any help to anydody else. We are selfish bastards and every extreme competitors knows that. And if you ask from Steve Cook, Billy Joe jr, Jaime De La Paz, Nathan Munson and Mike Jones they can also confirm that it is better if guys like as are far away at dbdrag.
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