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Give me one good reason why we(extreme competitors) need new center console rule for season 2005 ?
If they(judges) starts defining what is allowable shape of center console why not also define what kind of shape floor, roof and also door panels should be ?
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I totally agree with this... we do not need rules to define what kind of center console should exactly be. Old rules were just enough with this issue. Why fix something that was not broken?
Worder how things are after few year? You can make blueprints of an extreme vehicle in to the rule book. And vehicles witch aren't build based on those blueprints are illegal. Simple as that.
Hmm... sounds intersting. Hey let's build an extreme... hmm... NO!
Can you explain it to me why this rule needed to be changed?
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My guess is that that wayne wanted the rules to be like this in the first place, if you remember the first draft was close to this last year. I think what he is trying to do is take out grey areas in the rules, and there were some in the console rules...
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quote:Originally posted by dbWarrior: If they(judges) starts defining what is allowable shape of center console why not also define what kind of shape floor, roof and also door panels should be ?
True . No creativity allowed anymore ...
And .. i dont think its about grey area's regards centerconsoles ; ... its about creativity , and there is nothing wrong with that .
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There is no good reason to make the new rule for center console!!! leave it like 2004 it was simple and clear 13" both sides and not any higher than dash in our oppinion there is no grey areas in center console rule in 2004!!!
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We are trying to prevent problems like the one in Sensheim from happening. None of the Finland vehicles had center consoles. Look up the definintion of Center and look up the definition of Console.
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quote:Originally posted by Wayne Harris: We are trying to prevent problems like the one in Sensheim from happening. None of the Finland vehicles had center consoles. Look up the definintion of Center and look up the definition of Console.
if I remember right, there was problems with only few judges in sinsheim according our center console. I remember wery clearly that you were showing "green lights" to our installation.
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quote:Originally posted by Wayne Harris: We are trying to prevent problems like the one in Sensheim from happening. None of the Finland vehicles had center consoles. Look up the definintion of Center and look up the definition of Console.
if I remember right, there was problems with only few judges in sinsheim according our center console. I remember wery clearly that you were showing "green lights" to our installation.
You do remember right.
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We just want to make sure that center consoles are really center consoles. It is just really hard to write a rule like this. I will re-word and add some drawings. Then, let me know what you think. We want to give maximum flexibility but still require the center console to be a center console.
Thanks for your feedback. You know I think you guys are GREAT!
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Yes. THE major discustion with Wayne was something like 2-3 hours and after that Wayne did a quik audit to ours cars and there was no broblem in any part. he didn`t even say anything about center console. we think that Wayne would be sayed something about our console if there was or will be some problems then or later in a future.
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quote:Originally posted by Wayne Harris: I am working on this.
We just want to make sure that center consoles are really center consoles. It is just really hard to write a rule like this. I will re-word and add some drawings. Then, let me know what you think. We want to give maximum flexibility but still require the center console to be a center console.
Thanks for your feedback. You know I think you guys are GREAT!
yes but why the center console should be identical in every ext car. those "maximum flexibility" are the right words.
the ext cars are ext cars and the center console IS something between driver side and passenger side.
we think that yuo are GREAT too
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quote:Originally posted by Wayne Harris: I am working on this.
We just want to make sure that center consoles are really center consoles. It is just really hard to write a rule like this. I will re-word and add some drawings. Then, let me know what you think. We want to give maximum flexibility but still require the center console to be a center console.
Thanks for your feedback. You know I think you guys are GREAT!
What is center console? Now console that is defined at first draft is still far away what i consider to be normal center console (as it's original meaning)
In Extreme vehicle center console has became one of the main areas to create soundpressure. If this area is stritcly defined in the rulebook Extreme competitors will lose alot of space of creativity. There aren't too many areas left on the extreme car whitch to work on order to create pressure.
Every Extreme competitor nowdays uses so-called center console to create pressure. So if center console isn't a center console anymore, then why not allow this one? It has as much to do with original center console as has the one defined in the rulebook.
I swear last years rules said the console wasn't allowed to violate the string test, this meant some changes to my new wagon. Even though my console doesn't touch the wall, the shape of the door jam means that it made the string come forward and hit the console, failing the string test.
I can't see anything about this in the 2005 rules, even where it would have been crossed out, am I blind can anyone else see it?
Thanks,
Phil
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quote:Originally posted by DD Phil: Something else on the subject of consoles.
I swear last years rules said the console wasn't allowed to violate the string test, this meant some changes to my new wagon. Even though my console doesn't touch the wall, the shape of the door jam means that it made the string come forward and hit the console, failing the string test.
I can't see anything about this in the 2005 rules, even where it would have been crossed out, am I blind can anyone else see it?
Thanks,
Phil
the console cannot interfer with the string test. If you console goes back to the wall there has to be a removable piece so the string test can be performed
quote:Originally posted by dbWarrior: If they(judges) starts defining what is allowable shape of center console why not also define what kind of shape floor, roof and also door panels should be ?
True . No creativity allowed anymore ...
And .. i dont think its about grey area's regards centerconsoles ; ... its about creativity , and there is nothing wrong with that .
quote:Originally posted by DD Phil: Something else on the subject of consoles.
I swear last years rules said the console wasn't allowed to violate the string test, this meant some changes to my new wagon. Even though my console doesn't touch the wall, the shape of the door jam means that it made the string come forward and hit the console, failing the string test.
I can't see anything about this in the 2005 rules, even where it would have been crossed out, am I blind can anyone else see it?
Thanks,
Phil
the console cannot interfer with the string test. If you console goes back to the wall there has to be a removable piece so the string test can be performed
I can't see this in the 2005 rules, where does it say it?
Phil
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The only problem I see is that the consoles are being used as a device to close off passenger side along with the baffle wall, That is great and all, and yes is very ,very creative,but we need some regulations ,not to stop creativity but I think that major creativity needs to be behind jambs similar to superstreet,but allow strengthening cab and it somewhat resemble a car cabin area, but again the consoles need to serve a purpose, like the original drawings that wayne made and there should be a adequate amount of space between the wall of speaker or load wall ,not just a 1/4inch gap for stringtest. It needs at least 4-5" to justify and have room to not be considered as part of box or compartmentilizing off the passenger side. I have competed for many years and many world championships and the rules last year were a great idea and it is kinda of the way a competition vehicle should be, similiar cabs ,just reinforced, but can build box area to whatever get creative there.The extreme class should be like superstreet class,just allowing door build reinforcements,build ups,windows to add strength regulated cabs , Like Nascar and Drag racing. A basic drawing of a cab with limits , and the real challenge is what you can do behind door jambs , good box design, not a compartmented pass.side with driver side big open ,and pass. side as small as can be. SPL goes to the smallest area, similiar to a outlaw pocket. If you like baffles, that is fine but totally closing off pass.side except over console is a little on the grey area to me,and it just needs some space to define open area that it is not closed off. Just defining what can be done with consoles is all Wayne is trying to do, to be fair for everyone, The better the rules get defined the better the challenge of competing!to try to get the numbers without the grey stuff of rules ,that will make you as a competitor feel better about winning to know you did it legit! Not trying to step on toes but definition of consoles and limits is a rule needing attention and the rules will be great and fun,fair for all.
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So did Wanye ever say what was legal or not with the console??????
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3-11b Each vehicle MAY have a center console.
Additional Guidelines:
· The center console may not exceed the height of the lowest part of the top of the dash.
· A minimum “open space” distance of 13 inches (33.02 cm) MUST be provided at ALL points between each side of the center console and each door. (Measured horizontally and perpendicular to the centerline of the vehicle.)
· Center consoles must not interfere with the “String Test”. Competitors may “notch” their consoles or make the console easily removable to comply with this requirement.
· If no center console is present, then the 13 inches (33.02 cm) closest to each door will be treated as the open space area.
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Bullet point number 3 answers your question Phil
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