vehicles to day are getting louder and louder. The kids ride around with the stereo cranked. I don't know how many times I have to explain to competitors that they have to be outside the vehicle when their doing a 141 dB.
I know its a liabiltiy thing for dB Drag.
Why not set a limit where you can sit in Street and Street Max vehicles but not Super Street and Extreme.
Or how about a 150 dB limit. There are not as many street beat type setups that are louder than 150dB.
When the competitor stands outside the vehicle and burps a 146 during qualifying or eliminations, after the run he gets back into his car to pull out and plays the music at the same volume ( 146 ). If their wearing hearing protection is shouldn't matter.
let the kids have some fun
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quote:Originally posted by dBSteve: why have this limit?
vehicles to day are getting louder and louder. The kids ride around with the stereo cranked. I don't know how many times I have to explain to competitors that they have to be outside the vehicle when their doing a 141 dB.
I know its a liabiltiy thing for dB Drag.
Why not set a limit where you can sit in Street and Street Max vehicles but not Super Street and Extreme.
Or how about a 150 dB limit. There are not as many street beat type setups that are louder than 150dB.
When the competitor stands outside the vehicle and burps a 146 during qualifying or eliminations, after the run he gets back into his car to pull out and plays the music at the same volume ( 146 ). If their wearing hearing protection is shouldn't matter.
let the kids have some fun
Agreed... should be a 150db limit, but have them sit inside the car with hearing protection.
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Suitable hearing protection and sign an insurance waiver.
But external operation would be prefered.
Ben
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AGREE yes hearing protection/waiver, although I remember signing one at the shows I went to anyways....
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I agree to a waiver. Talk serious: After the release of the calibrators, and then the new mics, we all KNOW that the scores dropped. 140 dB on a todays car is close to 147-149 dB on old microphones and over 150 db on old non calibratet ones. Just one thing stayed the same : 140, the NUMBER.
And "Mickey Mouses" dont protect the ear. You must wear better things for low frequencies.
150 dB is ok, but I like the waver thing more. Sign it and do whatever you want. Your old enough to take care and responsibility on yourself.
But you cannot harm other people with your sistem ! Thats still important !
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quote:Originally posted by TheBigOki: You say... WHAAT???
Hehe !
I agree to a waiver. Talk serious: After the release of the calibrators, and then the new mics, we all KNOW that the scores dropped. 140 dB on a todays car is close to 147-149 dB on old microphones and over 150 db on old non calibratet ones. Just one thing stayed the same : 140, the NUMBER.
And "Mickey Mouses" dont protect the ear. You must wear better things for low frequencies.
150 dB is ok, but I like the waver thing more. Sign it and do whatever you want. Your old enough to take care and responsibility on yourself.
But you cannot harm other people with your sistem ! Thats still important !
Üüüühh!!! Michael (170+ on new sensors, not recommending that to others)
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I think the whole point behidn this rule is to show outsiders that we are not all about being loud and obnoxious and destroying our hearing.
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quote:Originally posted by Mr Bump: Suitable hearing protection and sign an insurance waiver.
But external operation would be prefered.
Ben
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quote:Originally posted by Mr Bump: Suitable hearing protection and sign an insurance waiver.
But external operation would be prefered.
Ben
Single pointers only?
Or are we going to allow sitting inside at multis aswell?
As posted above, some cars gain with a passenger, isnt that an unfair advantage at mutli point level?
Ben
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quote:Originally posted by Broken Silence CC - Johnny: I think the whole point behidn this rule is to show outsiders that we are not all about being loud and obnoxious and destroying our hearing.
Yup. I say keep it at 140
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quote:Originally posted by dBSteve: why have this limit?
problem is...people can make funny things with their body inside the car They may cup the capsule or something like that altering their score... This must be avoided somehow...I thought that was the matter of the rule, not the "dbdraggers are good boys" attitude
quote:Originally posted by dBSteve: why have this limit?
problem is...people can make funny things with their body inside the car They may cup the capsule or something like that altering their score... This must be avoided somehow...I thought that was the matter of the rule, not the "dbdraggers are good boys" attitude
What most people dont' understand is we need to adjust our rules to allow the newbie's to get interest. If we have several little things that keeps them away, the sport will die.
This 140 dB rule is a little thing. Most don't have a remote. Using the excuse, " Well this helps retailers " is non sense. In 4 years I have only known 1 person to purchase a remote radio just for competition reasons.
Either they have it, or don't have it or don't compete. Not good odds.
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quote:Originally posted by TheBigOki: (170+ on new sensors, not recommending that to others)
Michael, did you used sensor in the car and measured it while you were in? I have been in car that did 170 on lanes, but while i was in this car did around 150dB at full burp(if i remember right). This number was from dash, but my right ear was less than 10" away from woofer... I could have been there hours, but equipment would have not survived it
quote:Originally posted by dBSteve: why have this limit?
problem is...people can make funny things with their body inside the car They may cup the capsule or something like that altering their score... This must be avoided somehow...I thought that was the matter of the rule, not the "dbdraggers are good boys" attitude
What most people dont' understand is we need to adjust our rules to allow the newbie's to get interest. If we have several little things that keeps them away, the sport will die.
This 140 dB rule is a little thing. Most don't have a remote. Using the excuse, " Well this helps retailers " is non sense. In 4 years I have only known 1 person to purchase a remote radio just for competition reasons.
Either they have it, or don't have it or don't compete. Not good odds.
now you know 2 in fact at the 2001 sbn when i found out that the new cd did not have 3 tone bursts per track just stright tones thoughout the 30 seconds, i had no choice to buy a kenwood headunit that had the good remotes to get though the window tint.
so that everything would not fry.
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i havent broken 140 yet. but i certainly hope to next season. i'd like to get close to 150. (i have a 4 door with trunk)
but luckily i havent broken 140.. i have sony HU and the remote works for crap, no matter which window you try it through.
combination of crappy HU, crappy remote, and tint thats 2 shades darker than legal.
i'd like to see the limit changed to 150.
doesnt iasca have a waiver they have people sign, jsut to vocer thier butts?
why coudlnt db drag just do the same?
i dont think it has anything to do with "good guy personas" as much as it does to protect dbdrag from any lawsuits if anyone damaged thier hearing, and tried ot blame it on the competition or the organization.
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quote:Originally posted by dBSteve: What most people dont' understand is we need to adjust our rules to allow the newbie's to get interest. If we have several little things that keeps them away, the sport will die.
This 140 dB rule is a little thing. Most don't have a remote. Using the excuse, " Well this helps retailers " is non sense. In 4 years I have only known 1 person to purchase a remote radio just for competition reasons.
Either they have it, or don't have it or don't compete. Not good odds.
Im with you on this. Im for raising the in car limit until at least 150 or 155dB with ear protection so we can be inside the cars in street.But there must be a rule to avoid the conducer from altering the score.
I'd also say that IRs often create problems, and playng from inside is much more comfortable.I would also be for being able to take the HU outside the car in street if preferred
quote:Originally posted by Dr.Loudness: Just sitting in the car can influence score.
so either we have very low limit like 140 or we don't have any limit.
How about HU-s outside car? That would make life more easier for many competitors.
Peter
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who cares if it effects the score. Alot of things effect the score. Once again, its not about the score, its about attracting new competitors.
MS for newcomers
I am talking that 150 dB limit doesn't make any sense.
if there is 150 limit: Someone doing 151 all season will have bad day he might do 149... but someone who have 147 outside car and will sit in car have 149,x and beat someone that is outside. Don't look fair to me.
but if there is no limit people will sit in cars at 155+...
Lets bring MS back and leave S as it is this year.
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