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i sent in my sony c910 cd player a month ago....and in that month, none of my amps have been used....and i finally get the deck back yesterday, hook it all up....only to find out that my mids and highs amp is done for....i slapped a factory speak on my sub amp to see if it worked, and it does....so i dunno what the hell went wrong, but i just want to give up on car audio and quit altogether, i'm so sick of **** not working....too bad i paid for some DD's last week Posts: 138 | From: Hell | Registered: Sep 2001
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for the winter...one is going in my car, and one is going in my home theater.... i was just throwing a tantrum...got a new amp, and everything is cool Posts: 138 | From: Hell | Registered: Sep 2001
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well i paid for the amp...it should have been here yesterday and still not here today.....does usps not guaratee priority in 2-3 days anymore???
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quote:Originally posted by BaLlZ: hmm sounds like you have a problem with buying crap. i hope you get that worked out for ya. before you spend too much money
quote:Originally posted by caustic: don't buy crap like sony do a decent install and it'll be fine
well... you guys may be jokin, but that sony deck is a bad mutha shut yo mouth, i think as good as a premier odr for sound quality, just that sony customer service is a pos that needs a good wang kick now and then
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Considering Pioneer, Alp, JVC, Kenwood, Sony & 8 other mfrs share the same parts, I'd be unlikely to believe that there's a sound quality difference.
Maybe a visual difference, and some usefull (or useless) features.
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quote:Originally posted by Mr. Brownstone: Considering Pioneer, Alp, JVC, Kenwood, Sony & 8 other mfrs share the same parts, I'd be unlikely to believe that there's a sound quality difference.
Maybe a visual difference, and some usefull (or useless) features.
the sony c910 was made in 1996, and has impeccable SQ....you don't expect much from a deck that was made 5 years ago, but when you hear it, and can tell a big difference between that and a newer line clarion, and a panasonic....it's a good deck....sony made two good products ever IMO....the c910 and the c90....their DAC's do a miraculous job....
not buying crap...i'll just never buy used again....
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The sony c-910 and c-90 are IMO two of the best decks ever built. They will read cds that are so scratched no other player will even come close to reading them. Best of all, the WILL NOT skip. I've had my cd player out of the dash and shaken it like a paint can for a good minute and it never skipped. Played low 50's of sine sweeps test tones, entire bass mekanic cd's and not one skipped note. I have a super stiff suspension set up for road racing and down a bumpy washboard dirt road a few miles long, not one skip. Temporarily I installed an alpine and there was an audible difference in the sound.
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I've got a phat system underneath my bed! Nakamichi, CDT, DEI, PG, a pretty damn nice system! Can't wait until I can get it installed in an actualy vehicle Posts: 479 | From: Tuscaloosa AL | Registered: Nov 2001
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Some people subscribe to the hype out there. Most ALL car audio CD players use the same parts. The main differences are dancing dolphins, line voltage, and suspension. BBE (phase correction) has been added to some lines since 1990, but other than that, there haven't been ANY sound quality innovations at all.
Features like 3-11 band eqs built in the head unit are quite useful, but don't improve the sound of the output. They instead allow you to correct for acoustic problems, speaker efficiencies (and deficiencies). It's the same 1's & 0's that have been coming out since about 1983.
I'd be willing to bet that you could take an Audiovox 2V output player, and pit it against any of the TOL Sony, Eskips, Nakamichi and other lines and not have an audible difference. Barring the slightly lower line voltage, which you can correct with the volume knob.
Just goes to show you what people will believe when a store employee or factory rep crams a story down their throat.
Using plastic forks or sterling silver, the food tastes the same.
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I'd be willing to bet that you could take an Audiovox 2V output player, and pit it against any of the TOL Sony, Eskips, Nakamichi and other lines and not have an audible difference. Barring the slightly lower line voltage, which you can correct with the volume knob.
So you're telling me that the Pioneer Premier DEX-P9, which has triple 24-bit DAC's (low/mid/high), is going to sound the same as a $100 Audiovox CD Player?
Riiiight. Keep dreaming.
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Volume affects voltage, but is not an effect of voltage. If that makes any sense. When you turn up the volume, you raise the bar slightly, but compensation is not paid for with better SQ. Instead, with cheaper D/A converters, S/N, etc. you are actually amplifying any inconsitencies within the head unit when you turn the volume up. Volume differs from GAIN settings in that your GAINS on amps will only increase voltage, and will include degregation and erosion with it. The signal will never be as pure at higher gain settings. Volume is only amplification of the impurities you cannot hear at the lower volumes utlizing voltage as a backbone.
So I guess what I am saying is if you turn up the volume on the Audiovox, then you will be compensating a bit of voltage, but mainly conferring the cheaper quality of the head unit by amplifiying the inconsistencies and noise in the signal. This would be notable in any system that is identical excpet for the head unit. Pair the Audiovox's single 2 and 1-bit D/A's up against even the Nak's 20 bit multi D/A's. I would notice a big difference. But then I am an SQ nut. :-p
Some people subscribe to the hype out there. Most ALL car audio CD players use the same parts. The main differences are dancing dolphins, line voltage, and suspension. BBE (phase correction) has been added to some lines since 1990, but other than that, there haven't been ANY sound quality innovations at all.
Features like 3-11 band eqs built in the head unit are quite useful, but don't improve the sound of the output. They instead allow you to correct for acoustic problems, speaker efficiencies (and deficiencies). It's the same 1's & 0's that have been coming out since about 1983.
I'd be willing to bet that you could take an Audiovox 2V output player, and pit it against any of the TOL Sony, Eskips, Nakamichi and other lines and not have an audible difference. Barring the slightly lower line voltage, which you can correct with the volume knob.
Just goes to show you what people will believe when a store employee or factory rep crams a story down their throat.
Using plastic forks or sterling silver, the food tastes the same.
I'm sorry to have to be blunt...but you are wrong. There are huge differences that very audible in different brands of head units. If you don't belive this you probably don't too much about car audio.
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Posts: 614 | From: Anderson, In, USA | Registered: Jul 2000
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Actually there are SQ differences in deckes. Cheap decks sound every ****ty. I have heard little SQ differenced in higher end decks though.. like hardly any difference between Clarion, Alpine, and Eclipse. I owned a couple Clarions.. I think an 8575 and just sold my 9575 for an Eclipse CD 54451 I think it is. its their new deck with the 5v preout. the clarion 8575 skipped some.. but the 9575 never skipped.. ever. and I have yet to hear the Eclipse skip.. I know Eclipses older decks had a skipping problem, but their new line supposedly solved it. Ive seen my model of Eclipse deck play a CD that had a crack from the center hold to the outer edge.. and played it with no skipps... also i had a friend accidently put two cd's in at once.. and it played with no problems.. and their warrenty cant be beat.. even a theft warranty for the first year.. no one else can beat that!!
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Also, not to get anyone's panties in a wad, but silver utensils properly cared for will leave a dinstinct and separate taste to the true-at-heart connoisseur. This is due to the polishing of such utensils by the owner/keeper. Plastic silverware will not have this taste-altering, albeit however slight, the silver utensils that have been properly maintained do.
And I don't know about anyone else here, but I am an aficionado 100%.
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It's like Japanese and Chinese food, it just tastes better with chopsticks. I eat at this one Japanese place all the time and it's a completely diferent experience with the sticks.
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