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Clifford. I have long felt that code alarms cheesy contruction and poor functionality are great selling points for other alarm companies. Not saying they dont make a decent product, they're remote starter works great, it's just the rest of they're stuff ****s IMO.
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That is exactly the type of info I'm looking for... I'm not looking for the system with the most "bells and whistles" - I want solid construction/durability as well as excellent security coverage.
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Had to jump in on this one. Clifford over Code Alarm - what? I've been installing alarms for over 10 years and there is nothing better than Code Alarm. Especially the new Sure Start LX. It's a one piece alarm and remote starter - excellent quality. My parents still have the Code Alarms I installed in thier cars from 1989. Never failed once. They out lived the cars they were in. Auto manufacturers use Code's products because of the longevity factor - they don't break. Plus thier transmiters are nearly indesructable. Top notch technical service too! Clifford products may be good but better than Code Alarm I think not.
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That's some high praise of Code Alarm. I will have to disagree though, having install numerous #'s of alarms, I still stand by Clifford. Ungo is tops for ease of install and # of outputs, but clifford is still far mor flexible.
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I agree with Shaughn... the cliffords are way flexible! Sorry, I just dont care even the slightest bit for code alarm. I know that almost every manufacturer uses them, but I think that's more a function of the price per unit that code charges the maunfacturer. Hell, if I were the big 3, I'd use the cheapest alarm system I could get. Imagine, you buy 1 million alarm systems from code at 1.00 each, or 1 million from clifford for 3.00 each. 3,000,000 vs. 1,000,000 looks good to anyone! Oh, and Honda used to use Alpine alarms on they're cars, and I believe BMW did also.
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I don't know about the cost of Code's products to manufactures, but the longevity is definetly a factor. I just don't see other alarms lasting as long as Codes. I can speak from experience that the Alpine's don't. That's probably why Honda doesn't use thier products anymore. Plus most or all of Honda's radios are from Alpine. That's probably why they were using thier alarms to begin with. Same with BMW. Only installed a few UNGO's. Good product, but not better than Code. As most of you know, the single most important factors of an alarm are reliability and performance not gimics or gizmos.
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Hm. I still own the Alpine 8030A I bought 11 years ago - and it still works. I got 2 8030Bs too, and they still work. Eli47 has an 8025 in his Accord. It predates my 8030A!!
Why did ours last? My 8030A spent it's first 6 years on the Canadian praries - a harsher climate is hard to find.
The LAST thing I would classify an Alpine alarm as is unreliable. PLUS they have absolutely, without a doubt, the brightest sub-12V LED on the market and the best pinswitch money can buy.
Now if they only had more than TWO alarms currently available...
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I thought they had at LEAST 3 alarms, with the mobile mayday and all, bu then again, who want's a 1000 pre installed US dollar alarm system that does nothing but make you lazy and forget how to read a map.
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Thats pretty impressive for an Alpine product. I remember that model number! But I think that warmer weather is more treturous on electronics than colder weather. From my experiences, most all electronics fail from extreme heat. Although I can see remote start systems being affected from extreme cold - excessive current drain on starter relay and possible voltage drops from low battery voltages.
On a side note, what were the first remote start systems you installed? Installed a few LAZ-E-Starts. To the best of my knowledge, alarm companies were not making remote start systems back then. The ones I remeber most were from a company called EVS, I think. Those things retailed for about $300. This goes back to '89. They look like they were mass produced in someones garage. Just a plain square metal box with wires on one side. Absoulutely no features at all. Only one active output upon starting - thats it. I'm shocked that 11 years later they are still working im both my parents cars.
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Eli and Dukk should both know I have a vintage 8040 that is now in it's 4th vehicle, 2 of which were totals (yeah, I went and dug it out of the first accord I totalled, while it was sitting in the junkyard! I actually had to BUY it again!!!) Still say they have the BEST radar sensor ever made!!! I just havn't seen one that works anywhere near as well, and doesn't need adjustment 18 times a year. I do have a complaint about they're remotes for that model, they **** ass, but other than that, 10years now and NO problems!
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quote:Originally posted by Dukk: Hm. I still own the Alpine 8030A I bought 11 years ago - and it still works. I got 2 8030Bs too, and they still work. Eli47 has an 8025 in his Accord. It predates my 8030A!!
Why did ours last? My 8030A spent it's first 6 years on the Canadian praries - a harsher climate is hard to find.
The LAST thing I would classify an Alpine alarm as is unreliable. PLUS they have absolutely, without a doubt, the brightest sub-12V LED on the market and the best pinswitch money can buy.
Now if they only had more than TWO alarms currently available...
Ummmm, sorry Dukk it was an 8122 (1983-4), the first alarm that Alpine made, then an 8008, and I'm about to get an 8028. The 8122 was in the 280zx, then in the Safari, my Accord had an 8051, before the 8008. All those alarms are still working with the exception of the 8008, after it went for a midnight swim in the trunk of my car. I like Alpine mainly because of the quality of their sensors and brightness of the led's. As for the main units themselves, I feel that they are mostly all the same, and what makes one last longer than another is PROPER INSTALLATION, nothing else. Dukk knows how I like to do an alarm, and when done that way any unit can last. ALL of my alram installs are still working to date, a fact I'm obviously proud of. BTW the Alpine 8030 series was made by AutoPage. The Honda's used the Alpine 8051, and are still using Alpine made security systems as is BMW, and Navigation is to come any day soon.
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