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david v
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I was wondering if it is possible to wire a relay so that it will give a constant +12V with only a negative pulse.

If not do they sell anything that is capable of this?

I have never needed to do this before, so I have no idea.

Thanks very much...


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a negative pulse? so... you are planning on wiring the relay to speaker wire or somethin?

or do you want the relay on when there's no power? in a 12volt car application there is no "negative" pulse.. its a dc signal..

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Yes it is possible, but in order to accomplish this using a negative pulse you'll have to use two relays.

Relay #1:

87 +12v constant (fused)
87a Open
30 +12v output (constant)
85 - pulse
86 +12v constant

Relay #2:

87 Ground (constant)
87a Open
30 Ground output to Relay #1, Pin #85
85 Ground (constant)
86 Relay #1, Pin #30

This should provide the necessary constant +12v constant supply, but releasing the relay once it is latched will require the removal of the constant +12v input from relay #1. If this is wired to a circuit in the vehicle that has power only while the ignition is on, the circuit will reset every time the key is turned off.

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I also have another diagram that requires the use of three relays and two diodes to latch and release the entire assembly with either (+) positive or negative (-) pulses. If you need it let me know.

Later

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Thanks...
I really appresiate your help.
I am going to try the two-relay system.

Thanks... Dave


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mabeita, is there some practical appilcation for that type of circuit. What could it be used for. sounds cool.bagged89's web page

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To name a few:

  • Turning on devices with an auxillary alarm channel
  • Using a momentary switch to turn something on for continuous use
  • Using a pulse from an alarm accessory (shock, motion, or radar sensor) to turn on a device

What you use this type of relay system for is bound only by imagination and necessity.

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Go to you local Volvo dealer and ask for the head ligth relay for an 240, those relays have the function you want and the dealer should be able too tell you how to use it.

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quote:
Originally posted by Mabeita:
I also have another diagram that requires the use of three relays and two diodes to latch and release the entire assembly with either (+) positive or negative (-) pulses. If you need it let me know.

Later


Send me this at cwsmith@dsmtalk.com or post it here...i'm interested in knowing.


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I am interested as well
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There are two variations of this design, each of the variations requires the use of either negative (-) or positive (+) pulses which can be provided by an alarm's door lock outputs, various detection devices, or just plain old manually activated switches. The design requires the use of two relays and a standard 1n4001 diode, to perform the actual latch, the third relay is optional and is used in the event that the latched output polarity needs to be reversed or a higher current capacity is required.

Be forewarned that the latched assembly has a current draw of approximately 130ma, if you require the use of a third relay the load will double. This current estimate is only the draw created by the latching relays, and does not include the current required by the device(s) that you are supplying power to.

Variation One:
Negative (-) pulses used to provide a constant ground.

Relay #1:

  • 87 Open
  • 87a +12v constant (fused 1a)
  • 30 to pin 86 on relay #2
  • 85 (-) negative pulse to release latch
  • 86 +12v constant (fused 1a)
Relay #2:
  • 87 Ground
  • 87a Open
  • 30 Constant ground output
  • 85 (-) negative pulse to initiate latch
  • 86 to pin 30 on relay #1
Diode:
  • Cathode: pin 30 on relay #2
  • Anode: pin 85 on relay #2

Variation Two:
Positive (+) pulses used to provide a constant +12v output.

Relay #1:

  • 87 Open
  • 87a constant ground
  • 30 to pin 86 on relay #2
  • 85 (+) positive pulse to release latch
  • 86 constant ground
Relay #2:
  • 87 12v constant (fused 2a max)
  • 87a Open
  • 30 Constant +12v output
  • 85 (+) positive pulse to initiate latch
  • 86 to pin 30 on relay #1
Diode:
  • Cathode: pin 85 on relay #2
  • Anode: pin 30 on relay #2

Later

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This is what you want...

heres a pdf version with a description... http://www.go2pac.net/misc/latchrelay.pdf

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