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blacksvtf03
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How does xo point selection effect proper imaging and how can I set up my xo points properly? I use an Alpine H701 for my XO,EQ,TA. Thanks

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20-80hz subs 80-20000hz high's

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what amps/components are you running?
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JL Audio 300/4 powers MB Quart QM 160 Competitions (In Door) & MB Quart QTD 25 (Low in the A-pillars)
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If your goals are SQ, 80hz is stupid high.

No one on an internet forum will be able to tell you what crossover points to use to get the things you listed. It will depend on your install, the music you listen, the power you have among other things.

To give you an idea, my midbass are crossed over at 40hz and up. If you don't have your doors deadened correctly and other things right--you will smoke that midbass playing that low. If it is installed correctly, that speaker will do 40hz no problem.

On the tweeter anywhere from around 3200hz up to around 6-7khz could be the right spot.


I would start with the mid. the way I normally do it is to set a crossover at like 31hz on high pass, and don't set a low pass. Play some pink noise and look at the RTA. Where does the speaker naturally roll off on both ends. Set the crossover there. If the tweeter will play down to the low pass on the mid, then set the tweeter there. Play with the slopes and the phase at that point and see what sounds the best.

The subwoofer you can bring in later. Start where you highpassed your midbass. You may end up gapping them depending on the point you end up with.

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one of my installers has an old Toyota Landcruiser. He runs a 300/4, bi-amping his MBQuart fronts. He runs active. The tweeters were just too much for a single midbass. So he runs two 6.5" in each door and a single tweeter...it's sort of a D'Apolito setup on the doorpanel.
sounds pretty good that way, but the extra mid made it sound much more balanced for high volume. Not sure exactly where he's crossedover, but the mids' lowpass is probably close to what Andy's suggesting

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Andy, thanks for jumping in. Here's what I was actually asking. How do crossover points effect imaging? I know that when you use passives they introduce phase shifts around the XO points. Is this the same with active? When changing points of the XO is there any set rule, i.e. if you raise the XO from say 3.2kHz to 3.6kHz will that generally change the way the tweeter or mid images or is it all individual to the car?

The whole system is an Alpine 7939 (Volume and track control only), PXA-H701, CHA-S624 (linked to H701 optically), 300/4 powers the mids and tweets actively, and a 500/1 powers three 10W6's (96 versions)

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Everything effects imaging.

The first thing is the pathlengths of the speakers.

Then it is the time alignment of the speakers.

Crossovers, active or passive, can effect the acoustic phase of the system.

EQ can effect the phase.

Imaging really isn't that hard to get 95% in a car, especially with a full on processor. Tonality is where you will spend most of your time.

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I was told and I think I saw on this board that I should proceed like this:
Level
TA
XO
EQ

Is that correct? If it is then do I just measure the distance to each speaker from my head then go through the math? Should the farthest driver ( front R TW for me) be 0??

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I would do;

crossover
phase
t/a
phase
t/a
eq


Most likely your subwoofer is going to be zero. The math will get you close you will have to finalize by ear.

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Andy, do you have experience with the Quart Competition series? A lot of people confuse them with the Q series and the older, lesser QM series. I have found just one other person that even has a set of these things on the internet.
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I've played with QSD and QM series. Not the competition series. What is the difference between the QSD and the competition? I'd bet just the passive--which you wouldn't want anyway.

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20-60hz subs 60-20000hz high's
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[Confused]

You really pulled up a 4 month old post to give that poor of advice? Seriously?

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HI. I INSTALL THOSE PROCESSORS AND HAVE VARIOUS CONFIGUARATION. HOW MANY SPEAKERS YOU WILL USE IN THE FRONT; IN PXA-701 HAVE F-1 AND F-2 YOU HAVE F-1 IN TWEETER AND F-2 IN FULL RANGE. F-1 CAN BE USE IN FULL RANGE TOO. TELL ME THE CAR AND THE SPEAKERS YOU WILL USE FIRST. THIS GOING TO BE A LONG CONVERSATION.

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