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The cascade deflex pads will make a difference.
I tried the baffle (extremely deadened) with a silicone decoupler and the results were no where near as good as the clay. In my car I couldn't get the clay all around the baffle either (not the mounting surface but the 90 degree angle area between the baffle and the door you pack some in) so I just did the parts that I could w/out interfering with the door panel. If its the driver depth that hinders you from adding some clay to the mounting surface I would remove the layers of deadening you have on the surface of the baffle to give you some mm's for the clay. If your not happy you can always just redeaden them, but IMO the clay does a much better job. That was the only change I made to my midbass for last years slap finals and Jeff Ruby hammered on them during the SQ testing (they pick their own music) and they were just oh so sweet.
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As a side note, this is the door that benefited from those changes I mentioned... The outer skin is deadened with 3 layers, the inner I deadened once, then sealed all the holes w/sheet metal, then did 3 layers over that. The baffle is 1.5" 18 layer birch plywood bolted to the door and deadened all over again. I also have grooved and lubricated foam blocks behind the door mechanisms to prevent those from clanking while banging on the MB. THe door panels were deadened thoroughly w/liquid deadening, and I had egg crate foam jammed between the panel and the door. Then the whole panel was siliconed and screwed back into place...not a rattle to be found even running the midbass as subs. Royal pain when you needed to get back in their though... Posts: 2276 | From: East | Registered: Jan 2003
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I will most def play with the putty, i'll make sure to do that with the deflex pads...gotta get in there and remove the mids anyhow. Thanks for the feedback! I did a few coats of Cascade vb1s pro aerosol on the door panels, but I havent tried the egg crate foam in between- another thing I must do. Dampening fun never ends it seems, but gotta love how its responsible for huge differences like nothing else!
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:)Got some new power selection for this years setup, just waiting for the processor and I'll be done for the year other than playing with speaker placement/aiming..
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No more 4ch under the seat, these 2 badboys should get'r all done.
Gotta pick up 4 Y-splitters to jump L/R from amp to amp for the midbases and subs... Anyone know where i can find some decent looking ones that wont break the bank?
Seeing as running a pair of 5/6chs may not be a permanent thing, i dont wanna dump +$100-150 on Experts on splitters i may never have a use for again in the future.
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EastCoast- Impressive deadening job! I might have to try and use some lubed foam for my door lock rods! Everytime I would use just regular foam, it would end up falling off.
Again, thanks for the link and some great ideas!
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The new additions...I'm going Arc-less this year.. They are Rainbows paper cone version of their high end woofer line- Profi- copper in the motor, flawless fit and finish, aluminum dust cap as on the Vanadium version...all the good stuff. Its an SQ sub with pretty decent SPL- no supersub by any means but its all SQ business.
Just threw these in, they required a 1.2 cube each, they dropped right into my current enclosure. This sub is a very purdy thing, and sounds every bit so. A step ahead of the Arc subs I had prior in naturalness and texture of the drums. The bass is not as thick as the Arcs, a bit more transparent, neutral and a definite improvement in the up front bass transition. This sub is pretty fast and much more detailed to my belief, at times you forget a sub is there- a more believeable single point source in front you experience and seemless transition between the Lotus midbass and the woofer- as if the sound were coming from the same speaker. The lows are pretty f'n sweet, a tad more flat sounding than the Arc's and not as smooth digging deep, but man theres just something about paper cones...
I believe in break in periods and have had limited listening to them so far to further analize, so I'll save a review for another time after some hours on them. Each 12" is powered at 1.5 ohm load off the sub ch of an A7 ( I run a pair of A7's).
:)Here are some pics, and as you will see I got 'on them' already a bit..hehe We barely know how to work this new Audiocontrol RTA , but we are getting familiar with it. Gotta read the manual extensively and get a grip on it. The second I mounted the second driver, the ups truck showed up with this piece we unpackaged it and brought it into the car upon first firing up these subs. They were de-virginized pretty quickly..hehe
IMO that number is impressive for 2 SQ subs...you would hit cap in Iasca...Have you heard the excel/lotus sub to compare it?
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quote:Originally posted by EastCoast: mmmm, paper....
IMO that number is impressive for 2 SQ subs...you would hit cap in Iasca...Have you heard the excel/lotus sub to compare it?
Yes. Very, very strikingly similar sound outside of the tonal cues of the cones. A very transparent, at times light, musical sub. Almost as if it doesnt exxagerate bass thats not there in the recording- and that makes for a better listening experience. Some of the bass heads that showed at our local ECA meet yesterday were like 'wheres your bass man?', ( i had them level matched for SQ) so I had to turn up the remote gain and some bass to show'm what it can do SPL wise. They are no supersubs, but have pretty damn good output sounding great the whole way. So yeah initial impressions are very favorable, but they are relatively new so I gotta ride'm out and see how much more they grown on me.
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Havent updated this in quite some time... time to bring it up to date. As I finalized equipment and driver placement after a couple of years in my rookie install.
4"Midrange/tweets in modified glassed kicks, *" Seas lotus door mounted midbasses
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Thanks to winslow always emphasizing the issue/importance of PLD's... I spent the holidays with my tweeters in the kicks and thus found a new home. I sure dont know why i danced around and neglected the idea before, perhaps as I've been using door/pillar mounted tweeters for many years. Turns out this configuration lends me the absolute best overall sounstage. Best depth and cymbals actually sound as if the come from behind the vocals on the stage. The angles on the midranges maintain the center image above dash and center (even without t/a), and is not dragged around by the sources of sibilance(tweets). It certainly gives you throughout the volume range a reminder that you are the listener, and the stage is in front of you. I was able to do this with the a-pillar mount, yet the louder volumes would immerse you and find its way to move the stage toward your lap- in this arrangement not the case. I also feell i may not need much EQ, several peaks have seemingly already dissappeared and it sound like quite a flat presentation as is. I certainly was not going to paint the tweeters, so i painted/clearcoated the 4" grills instead to match them. I have the alum trim/ black interior two tone theme going on so i feel they look in place and like'm this way. What i need now is some contact cement so that i can vynil wrap the kicks to match the oem grain trim. Certainly tuning is a whole diff beast now in terms of crossover points (vs ones i used before with drivers spread out) but the pathlength differences are much more favorable now and should lead to less of a processed sound , less reflection issues , etc..once i'm done tinkering.
quote:Originally posted by Andy Jones: ^Very nice.
I do have to ask---drywall screws for the midbass?
hehe...that was an old pic, just havent gotten around to removing the door panels to take pics. They actually are on new baffles,another layer of mat, and no mo drywall screws..hehe. I just got the new door panels on, so they need a little love. Sucks because my old ones were pretty DEAD, but have a hole where the tweets were mounted last year.
So I have a list of a few things i have to resolve from here to SVR. A little TLC, some more dampening, never ends hehe...
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