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KAL SPL
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After building a box for an 02/03 Kicker Solobaric 12 inch L7 woofer (dual 4ohm) and the customer having it for three days the magic white smoke appeared.

The box was 3 cubic ft sealed gross
(Minus diplacement of the woofer and material used to build the box, 18mm MDF)
the amp running the woofer was a Kicker KX600.1
Gain was set on minimum.
LPF set @ 80hz for the woofer.

Now the distrubuter in Australia doesn't want to cover the woofer under warranty because the VC is charcoal (Fair enough) but it has laid the blame on the enclosure as it was too big for the woofer.

Do you think that the box is too big for the woofer???

I'm pretty confident that the bloke using it was just thrashing it and the amp was clipping and this melted the VC of the sub.
(It was really toasted!)

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Thanx for the PM on this one Polecat.
Anyone else got some answers for this one?

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You have to watch your enclosure design to be sure its going to give you the spl you want-it may not,so he turns it up more,putting too much power for too long through the subs.

Have you seen the owner using the sub?maybe youd know if he knows what clipping is,or not.

The box being too small or large will only affect excursion really..which isnt to blame here.

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KAL SPL
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Originally when the bloke picked the car up after having the system fitted he was over the moon with the ammount of output he got from the system.

From what he tells us he is happy with the output from the current system, he just doesn't want to be blowing stuff up all the time.

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Can I please have some more input on this?

How much can an enclosure effect the thermal power handling of a woofer?

Please excuse me for asking such basic questions.

I really want to understand this perfectly so that I can prevent this happening in the future.

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the enclosure isn't going to have an effect on thermal power handling, only mechanical.

if you have fried voice coils, the sub was overpowered or there was a defect( vc losened up, came unwound and shorted)

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from my experiments the enclosure has alot to do with thermal and mechanical power handling

Aaron

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my 15L7s are in 3 cube, maybe that is a lil big for 12s

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That box is quite big for a 12". In fact, that'd be the biggest net volume I'd use for a ported enclosure(daily tuned).

As long as the suspension is fine, and it's only the coils, that means that it was receiving too much power, of it was defective, as was mentioned previously.

If it was set correctly, my only guess(barring a defect) was that the customer, or the customer's brother/friend/cousin "knew" how to make it louder, got gain happy and poof. They reset it, and came back to you claiming it "just fried". That's my guess as to what probably happened.

BTW, did you find the maximum volume point/sub level and educate them why not to exceed it?
Also, 80hz on the xover is a little high considering that sub is going to be playing pertty low in 3 cubes. I woulda bumped it down to 50-60hz.

Just some ideas [Smile]

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Thanx for the replies everyone.
Much appreciated.
When we get the woofer back we will probably lower the LPF and see how this goes.
Cheers!

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quote:
Originally posted by aaron:
from my experiments the enclosure has alot to do with thermal and mechanical power handling

Aaron

explain?

the thermal rating is, in laymans terms, how much juice the coil can take before it melts

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quote:
Originally posted by delvryboy:
quote:
Originally posted by aaron:
from my experiments the enclosure has alot to do with thermal and mechanical power handling

Aaron

explain?

the thermal rating is, in laymans terms, how much juice the coil can take before it melts

air
excursion

a box affects both of these and both have a impact on a drivers cooling ablities be it negligible or not

mechanical is definitely affected far more then thermal and you should be treading near full excursion before you get anywhere near thermal in any "normal" install

[ 06-02-2004, 12:42 PM: Message edited by: kan3 ]

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