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kdiddy
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You didnt actually run the quarter mile in a van...did you? Since im assuming you are competing (SPL), then yeah I would believe that your acceleration was victim.

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quote:
Originally posted by kdiddy:
My thoughts exactly. If was ever fortunate enough to recieve a RB26DETT, I would most likey have to do a single turbo swap, which would make the engine fit better. On the other hand, the RB25DET is already a single turbo, and from what Ive read, its not much harder than swapping in an SR20DET.

Some of you guys seem to know alot about Nissan engines, so heres a question: anyone know where I can find performance parts for the RB25DET? There are plenty for the RB26DETT and SR20DET. Would internals(connecting rods, pistons etc..) from a RB26DETT ever fit in the RB25DET? HKS does make alot of parts for the RB25DET, Im just looking for cheaper alternatives.


Anymore subs suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for the replies.

what about the variants of the sr??? (esp the VET--- super rare, getting one pretty much promises you'll be in a magazine of some sorts)

on stock internals the sr series can withstand 500 horses. beef them up and 800-900 is completly possible. and imagine doing so with the neoVVL engine (sr20ve, sr20vet). It would make for a serious frankinstein setup. calm around town but vicious once the agressive cam timing kicks in.


btw, for a silvia (240sx) anything over 700 is truly overkill. you'd spend a lot of money trying to get the power to the ground. the beauty of the sky's is the ATTESSA system. and even then it has a hard time keeping up when you put a grand in power through it.

and as far as I know most if not all parts (externals not internals) work. for internals I think cams/camshafts are the only thing that fit due to displacement differences.

if both the bore or both the stroke is the same for the engines then more parts will be interchangeable.

[ 03-04-2003, 10:38 AM: Message edited by: Diamond G ]

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You don't have to use MDF they make a lightweight product mainly used for yachts almost as strong as MDF but alot lighter.
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I havent seen any SR20VE(T) swaps in a 240sx. Actually i doubt its ever been done. No one seems to know much about these engines. Until it has proven performance in my vehicle of choice, then its not an option.

With stock internals an SR20DET is gonna handle 500hp? For how long? Ive seen 400, but why do that? Youre only speeding the inevitable. Why upgrade turbos, exhaust, cooling, etc...and not upgrade internals? Not smart in my opinion.

So its easy to get an SR20DET to 800-900 hp? Hahahahha, yeah ok. Ask Signal auto how easy it was to get their S15 silvia to 600hp. To say it was easy would be a complete insult. The whole engine was completly worked,and still only 600(can you sense the sarcasim?)....seems like you may know something they dont,which isnt likely. Maybe if you had a 300 shot of Nitrous.....lets see the stock internals hang with that.

700 hp is over kill for a 240sx? Say I did an engine swap, the RB25DET, beefed it up to around 750+hp(which is possible)and installed the RB25DETs transmission, naturally. To get the "power to the ground", all I would need to do is get an after market clutch, fly wheel, upgrade my lines, and get a killer lsd. I wouldnt be "over-killing" anything but the people I race. Holla.

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If you do go through with this, your car is going to be nothing short of a beast. I am glad to see people getting into the Nissan scene. I am going to hopefully start playing around with the vq30de this summer if I manage to get a 5 speed maxima.

This system weight problem seems to be very big on my mind right now as well. I think I may go with a single 12" ported (RE HC or BA inhuman)...or even with a Kicker 15" L7 in a box that is no bigger than 3 cubes ported.

I think what may happen to me in the end, is that I will just make the box easy to pull out of the trunk when I wanna test it on the 1/4 mile, and have to give up a little street performance with the box in.

With creating a car...ususally its hard to have the best of both worlds, but good luck to you.
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Originally posted by kdiddy:
I havent seen any SR20VE(T) swaps in a 240sx. Actually i doubt its ever been done. No one seems to know much about these engines. Until it has proven performance in my vehicle of choice, then its not an option.

With stock internals an SR20DET is gonna handle 500hp? For how long? Ive seen 400, but why do that? Youre only speeding the inevitable. Why upgrade turbos, exhaust, cooling, etc...and not upgrade internals? Not smart in my opinion.

So its easy to get an SR20DET to 800-900 hp? Hahahahha, yeah ok. Ask Signal auto how easy it was to get their S15 silvia to 600hp. To say it was easy would be a complete insult. The whole engine was completly worked,and still only 600(can you sense the sarcasim?)....seems like you may know something they dont,which isnt likely. Maybe if you had a 300 shot of Nitrous.....lets see the stock internals hang with that.

700 hp is over kill for a 240sx? Say I did an engine swap, the RB25DET, beefed it up to around 750+hp(which is possible)and installed the RB25DETs transmission, naturally. To get the "power to the ground", all I would need to do is get an after market clutch, fly wheel, upgrade my lines, and get a killer lsd. I wouldnt be "over-killing" anything but the people I race. Holla.



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I might have to go with a box that comes out also. The box design will be a little harder though, but well worth the money.

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If youre really concerned about performance just go with something removeable. I have a pretty decent sound system but i didnt do a flashy kind of install. my sub box isnt even carpeted...i have an mdf trunk floor to hold my sub box and amps up...its kinda cut crooked and its not carpeted either. I just did that cause i bought sounds to play music not to have a badass install. When it comes race day i have to pull everything out anyway.
Nice car you have there. 2 of my friends have 91 240's, ones going with a turbo KA setup and the other is going to do a sr20 swap. They're all still far from catching my HONDA though [Wink] hehe

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So....you gotta turbo H22A? Good sh!t, not too many of those out there really. What other mods do you have done to the engine/trans.? What kinda times are you running Qtr Mile etc...just curious. Love the H22a motor, hell Id drive it n/a. Only hondas(stock) Id drive are a Prelude or a S2000, I like the body styling of the 99+ accords too, performance just isnt there. You might wanna watch out for the guy doing the SR20DET swap, those are made for turbo engines, and it doesnt take much to make them fast. When I strap in the RB25DET(maybe a 30DET) I'll give you a holla, I need competition. The only cars to race here are mostly domestics and riced out imports. No true high performance imports.

But yeah, Im going for a show quality install, but hopefully I can get it designed to be removeable.

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