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Hi ya'll- I'm trying to decide on what to do for my future system in my 99 Civic Si. I love the idea of competition (amatuer or pro-someday) and I was wondering if this setup will do me well. Any sugg. are greatly appreciated. I'll try and keep it short. I won't be using exact part nukbers because I don't fee like listing them all but I'm sure you guys will get the idea... thanx a bunch for any help or critisism... 1.Head unit - Undecided (?-Alpine 4" LCD display- just cuz it looks cool) 2. Sig. Proc - Fosgate Epx2 w/ 28-band EQ 3. Mid-Bass&Highs - Undecided (a/d/s, Fosgate Q comp, MB quartz) located in 6.5" door panels with 1" tweet in each side window (OEM location)... 6.5 comp in kick panels, ... 4" 2-way center channel located under head unit about 4" above shifter... 2 6x9 2-way in rear deck for rear fill. 4. Subs- 2 15" Fosgate Power DVC in ported box rear-firing in trunk. 5. Amps- 1 Punch Power1100a2 (probably should run 2) run to the subs... 1 Punch Power 800a4 to door and kick panel components... 1 Punch Power 500a2 to 6x9 and wired in series-? to center channel. 6. Cap- Lightning Audio or Fosgate (same thing now I guess) 1-1.5 farad, 1-1 farad, 1-.5 farad. 7. Power- Bigger ALT (of course) 2 deep cycle marine batteries wired in parallel and all the cables and distribution block etc...
I'm a newbee to this stuff so I need all the help I can get. I hope I'm at least on the right track?? Thankx for any advice bad, or good and hopefully I'll see ya'll at a competition someday. One last thing... I have 2 12" Punch regular DVC in a ported box that was specially made (no prefab). What is a feasible SPL level if I were to run the 800a2 Punch Power or the 1100a2 (I'm running an MTX Blue Thunder 1502 right now) to these subs and would these work for competition or should I step up to 2 15". Remember, I'm want high SQ and 150 spl. Thankx again and sorry for the long letter. -Brandon
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I'd forget the center channel and the amp for the rears. Also, I'd stick to KPs and forget the door mounting, unless for a second pair of midbass. Plus, I would really consider a 500a2 for each Power DVC and not a single 1100a2 for both.
Finally, a guy around here is doing 150s with a pair of Punch DVCs off an 800a2 in a regular vented box - you should have no problems doing at least mid 140s.
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I agree with the above statements. Properly done kickpanels wont need any kind of center channel. If you doing a second pair of mids up front, build an enclosure in the doors and cross them over low, you'll use them better as mid/subs than mids, they'd probably pull your image way bad. I'd think of a different head unit. Sure the Alpine is cool looking, but do you need the extra expense of the lcd, not to mention the additional moving parts that can and do break? I think you'd be wise to spend your money elsewhere, like soundproofing the car and installation. Dont forget to get a decent alarm system!!! And insurance!!!!
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I'd look into an Eclipse deck or RF that has many of the same features, less the lcd, for much less $. As for the alternator, I'd ask your local boys in the install bays, and even the mechanics who work on Hondas, as to what alts you can take from a truck or Passport and put into your civic. If using used alt, make sure you get one that was used with a towing package or also look into getting your current rewound to boost!
Much luck and the KISS method does seem to work, so does dynamat and the like .
ub
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Posts: 7272 | From: No. VA | Registered: May 1999
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How are the Q-forms from Q-logic? Would it be better to have some custom kicks done or would Q-forms be ok? Also, is the spray just as good as Dynomat? Thanx for all the info. You guys are on top of things.
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Posts: 14 | From: Roseville, CA | Registered: Aug 1999
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The Q-forms aren't that bad, but a competent shop can make you a set for not much more. I prefer to use spray only where placing mat is a pain. I feel mat works better but is more expensive/sq. foot.
Hey Audiophyle - we just brought Nak back on full bore. Woo-hoo!
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Here's what I got now- Kenwood Excelon ps709 mtx blue thunder 1502 2 12" rf DVC 4 cuft dual ported box Factory speakers... 6.5 in doors; 1" tweets in side window; 6x9 in rear deck
Here's what I want and hopefully this clears it all up... I want my car to sound like the music is floating all around me but I also want to have it rip me shreds if I want because I like winning (don't we all). I want to try and stay with all RF products. Please tell me if this is ok... Good RF deck. RF Power 800a2 to my reg DVC 12's and kick panels with 100 watts or so to each and no amp to the 6x9's and sound deadening? No caps either as long as I got the juice? Leave the doors and window tweets alone (not hooked-up)? Nice Sig Proc/EQ. K.I.S.S. right! I would like to step up later on with what I listed earlier but it doesn't seems like I need all that yet. I'll just try this unless any other ideas (feel free to go off) in the 2 woofer class. Thank you guys and keep up the great work!! Maybe I'll try and compete in the Sep 18th DBDrag here in Nor Cal at Anthony's to see where I'm at and go from there.
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Posts: 14 | From: Roseville, CA | Registered: Aug 1999
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Dukk.... I knew you had it in ya!! You'll now have to shoot me prices on the cd-700 and mb-100!! Also, have you already gotten a shipment in, or are you waiting. It seems, down here anyway, that you have to wait for quite some time to recieve product, but it's well worth the wait! When or if you get a PA506 in, pull the cover off, and take a good look at the board, it is truly a work of art!!!
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Get a competent installer to build you the kickpanels, and you'll be amazed! When properly done, you shouldn't need center channels, or rear fill, the fronts should pretty much take care of everything. I would, however, get some 5" focal subs for your front doors, build a .18f3 box, and tune it to 43Hz, it's truly amazing how those little subs sound, and how they will help you imaging!
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Damn, 5" subs........I remember when Bose adn Yamaha were thought to be crazy for having 7" subs for home theatre . Might have to look into those, especially for doors!!! Hrm, up-front bass-in-your-face for metal that is amplified beyond the realms of decency....god I love this hobby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ub
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Posts: 7272 | From: No. VA | Registered: May 1999
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We recieved our home gear but the car stuff was back ordered
At this time we're bringing in the heads, the amps have to wait until we move some dead stock. I was surprised to see just how cheap the outboard D/A is - I think it's cheaper than the Coustic!
Dude, you wan't a killer set up? Try an 8210, EPX2 w/E28, 800a2 for two DVC 12s, 800a4 for Q614 components up front and a set of co-axials for rear. Simple but mental!
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Hrm, sounds like a nice set-up With the price drop, and a new job, might just be able to do that in the not so distant future! That'd rock hard!!
Hrm, so yer gettin' Nak in stock, again, not bad. We had a pro-tape deck in the Theatre, damn nice too!! It had Dolby C long before they had released Dolby B into the home market!! (mind you this was 7 years ago!)
I don't know, if the prices were the same, which to choose from: Xtant, PG, PPI, Nak, Orion XTR/HCCA, or McIntosh? I've always favored BigMacs, but maybe'll have to give Naks another listen too .
As with the original thread, or that which I remember of it, the 5" subs still sound cool, as would a 6.5" midbass driver or even a slim-lined 8" midbass or woofer in the door (if you can get the bastage to fit!!).
Oh well, much luck and time to catch me bus!!
ub
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Posts: 7272 | From: No. VA | Registered: May 1999
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Thanks for all the help. You guys kick ass. After some careful work and some more saving and patience, I should have slammin' Si very soon. Then it's time to work on that damn electronic science degree!! Peace out and happy pounding...
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Thanks for all the help. You guys kick ass. After some careful work and some more saving and patience, I should have slammin' Si very soon. Then it's time to work on that damn electronic science degree!! Peace out and happy pounding...
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UB, when I first heard the nak amps, many many years ago, I thought they sounded awesome! However, back then, they had basically no balls whatsoever, and couldn't even run 2 ohm stereo. They were a disappointment, to say the least. Then I needed a new headunit to replace my ancient Mobile CDTuner1, and a buddy of mines shop was looking for a new high end line, so he picked up nak so that I could get a new head, anyway, I heard the new amps at his shop. New, huge power supplies were in store, and the silky-ness of the amp remained. I was definately impressed by a nak 6 channel amp that would do 2ohm on the front 4, and 1/2ohm stereo on the sub channels! It was quite a turnaround for them. Then, I heard the CD-700. Sure a ton of money, worth every penny. The preceeding message was brought to you by the good engineers at nak.........
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