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Hello I just wanted to give an opinion about the conductor subject.
An example came to my mind :
Let's say we are in SS1-2 with 2 quad coil woofers.
With 4 conductors limit, we could be in this situation (per woofer)
NON Sponsored/On a budget competitor 2xMA 4000/V4000XD/Xfire4000
Total power : 8k
Sponsored/Richer competitor 4xEXT3000D
Total power : 12k
At these power levels the "richer" competitor will still have an andvantage, power difference still matters, adding that extra bit to the score
Let's say we are not limited to 4 conductors
NON Sponsored/On a budget competitor 4xMA 4000/V4000XD/Xfire4000
Total power : 16k
Sponsored/Richer competitor 8xEXT3000D
Total power : 24k
At the current technology of woofers, the difference between 24k and 16k is just "smoke woofers or not", while between 12k and 8k there's still an extra bit to be gained.
I think this would level the competition because, even if it would be globally more expensive (buying 4 amps per sub instead of 2 per sub) for the "pooerer" competitor to stay competitive, he will have a chance against richer competitor because higher amunts of power wont be productive SPL-wise.
I hope I explained my idea well sorry for my english [B][/B]
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you shouldn't have problems pulling over a 60 with 4 2000ds in ss1-2... i was big into the "pro quad coil" last year, but companies wanted to limit the amount of amps for a competitor. this isn't just dbdrag giving you the rules, in quads in specific, companies came forward and said they want quads gone.
quads are gone, no quads, its just the way it is and will be in dbdrag.
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There's all this talking about reintroduction of quads if you read the forum.seems like they will be allowed again, so it just seems to me a way to level the field. And placing over a 60 is pretty useless in SS1-2, as WR is around 165.Being competitive I mean to be POSSIBLE (not able to, that's a different story) achieve the WR.And its not possible at the moment with 2 2000 amps.
It is not possible with 2 4k amps against 4 3k amps.it IS possible with 4 4k amps against 8 3k amps for the reasons i wrote in the posts .
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No matter how many conductors you allow competitors will fill them with power and you will see a larger and larger gap between the "have's" and the "have nots"
Leave the rules alone. 4 conductors is plenty. This year. Maybe in the future there will be a strapable vs non or a total amplifier limit.
I personally do not see how either would help the competition. Rules are fine like they are.
quote:Originally posted by Uzzio: There's all this talking about reintroduction of quads if you read the forum.seems like they will be allowed again, so it just seems to me a way to level the field. And placing over a 60 is pretty useless in SS1-2, as WR is around 165.Being competitive I mean to be POSSIBLE (not able to, that's a different story) achieve the WR.And its not possible at the moment with 2 2000 amps.
It is not possible with 2 4k amps against 4 3k amps.it IS possible with 4 4k amps against 8 3k amps for the reasons i wrote in the posts .
i know for a fact it is possible for 2 2000ds to do a 60... if you aren't doing well as it is, maybe you should try a new class you would do well in, instead of trying to get the class to fit y-o-u-r n-e-e-d-s. quads are done, majority of dbdrag supported companies voted them gone, they are no more; you will not see them again.
quote:Originally posted by Uzzio: There's all this talking about reintroduction of quads if you read the forum.seems like they will be allowed again, so it just seems to me a way to level the field. And placing over a 60 is pretty useless in SS1-2, as WR is around 165.Being competitive I mean to be POSSIBLE (not able to, that's a different story) achieve the WR.And its not possible at the moment with 2 2000 amps.
It is not possible with 2 4k amps against 4 3k amps.it IS possible with 4 4k amps against 8 3k amps for the reasons i wrote in the posts .
i know for a fact it is possible for 2 2000ds to do a 60... if you aren't doing well as it is, maybe you should try a new class you would do well in, instead of trying to get the class to fit y-o-u-r n-e-e-d-s. quads are done, majority of dbdrag supported companies voted them gone, they are no more; you will not see them again.
You not seen the Matrix then?
There back in EX.
Only took 1 year for that to happen.
Maybe next year they will be in SS aswell.
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quote:Originally posted by Uzzio: There's all this talking about reintroduction of quads if you read the forum.seems like they will be allowed again, so it just seems to me a way to level the field. And placing over a 60 is pretty useless in SS1-2, as WR is around 165.Being competitive I mean to be POSSIBLE (not able to, that's a different story) achieve the WR.And its not possible at the moment with 2 2000 amps.
It is not possible with 2 4k amps against 4 3k amps.it IS possible with 4 4k amps against 8 3k amps for the reasons i wrote in the posts .
i know for a fact it is possible for 2 2000ds to do a 60... if you aren't doing well as it is, maybe you should try a new class you would do well in, instead of trying to get the class to fit y-o-u-r n-e-e-d-s. quads are done, majority of dbdrag supported companies voted them gone, they are no more; you will not see them again.
You not seen the Matrix then?
There back in EX.
Only took 1 year for that to happen.
Maybe next year they will be in SS aswell.
if you read the first post in this section( the one with the! next to it you will see that Wayne said they will not be back
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Well if theres things wrong on the Matrix what the hell has it been posted for?
Fun and arguements?
Look closely and you can run 8 strapped amps on a single quad in Street C.
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the matrix is a EXAMPLE to see what everyone thinks not set in stone!! and I wanna see a 165 db in ss 1/2 right now!!! and it is possible to do over a 160 with only 2 - 2000 d's as jarfunkz has stated BELIEVE me!!!
I know how to do it but I wanna see it done before I change anything else!
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quote:i know for a fact it is possible for 2 2000ds to do a 60... if you aren't doing well as it is, maybe you should try a new class you would do well in, instead of trying to get the class to fit y-o-u-r n-e-e-d-s. quads are done, majority of dbdrag supported companies voted them gone, they are no more; you will not see them again. [/QB]
do u read what I write or just answer as it comes? I told you its USELESS do above 160, as it's useless to do 161 or 162 in that class since there is no chance to achieve the WR with that score. Of course 160 can be done with 2 amps (just got a 159 with 2 optidrives and 2 batteries after the first 6 tests,happy now?) but it's pretty much useless.
quote:Originally posted by TRENDSETTER: the matrix is a EXAMPLE to see what everyone thinks not set in stone!! and I wanna see a 165 db in ss 1/2 right now!!! and it is possible to do over a 160 with only 2 - 2000 d's as jarfunkz has stated BELIEVE me!!!
I know how to do it but I wanna see it done before I change anything else!
wayne said it was to stimulate discussion. Well here is one, I just think it would be more fair without conductor rules but if only 2 conductors will be allowed, Ill just make the tests with my 4 visoniks then switch to EXT3000s so I can use 8.
I thought this was all about discussing what's better but this childish "160 can be achieved with 2 2000 amps" came in by jarfunkz and it's not related to this topic, I couldnt care less of what can be achieved that is 5dB down the WR.
quote:i know for a fact it is possible for 2 2000ds to do a 60... if you aren't doing well as it is, maybe you should try a new class you would do well in, instead of trying to get the class to fit y-o-u-r n-e-e-d-s. quads are done, majority of dbdrag supported companies voted them gone, they are no more; you will not see them again.
do u read what I write or just answer as it comes? I told you its USELESS do above 160, as it's useless to do 161 or 162 in that class since there is no chance to achieve the WR with that score. Of course 160 can be done with 2 amps (just got a 159 with 2 optidrives and 2 batteries after the first 6 tests,happy now?) but it's pretty much useless. [/QB]
i see your whole arguement... you want the rules changed, so you can try and set the record... very selfish man. if you spent as much time rebuilding instead of yapping meaninglessly on here, maybe you could do that 165... competition is about being competitive and doing your best, changing the rules is not very competitive, and it shows that you are also not trying to do your best, you are trying to forcing others to do worse... from your statements made, maybe dbdrag isn't the place for you... i heard meca is more economical...
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you must ask yourself this, is this rule change going to help everyone? how could people exploit this rule change? am i trying to get this rule changed to help your own situation? i understand that you want to win and you want recognition, but you are going about it the wrong way. if i set a world record, and i won it because of a rule change alone, i don't think that would be as sweet as winning it on my own without the rule change. an apple is an apple and an orange is an orange, but if you want that handicap stuff so you are more competitive, it makes the apples and oranges rotten.
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I personally think that the amp rule should be reworked.
Sort out what makes an amp one amp and what makes an amp two amps in one case.
Then limit the amount of amps per sub.
SS 1-2 would be upto 8 amps.
2 pairs of strapped amps per DVC, or 4 big monos on a QVC.
Example: 4 SPL D 6000Ds strapped per sub Vs 4 Crowns per sub.
But dont worry, no one will agree with me.
With a working amp limit you can keep Street rules the same aswell.
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quote:i know for a fact it is possible for 2 2000ds to do a 60... if you aren't doing well as it is, maybe you should try a new class you would do well in, instead of trying to get the class to fit y-o-u-r n-e-e-d-s. quads are done, majority of dbdrag supported companies voted them gone, they are no more; you will not see them again.
do u read what I write or just answer as it comes? I told you its USELESS do above 160, as it's useless to do 161 or 162 in that class since there is no chance to achieve the WR with that score. Of course 160 can be done with 2 amps (just got a 159 with 2 optidrives and 2 batteries after the first 6 tests,happy now?) but it's pretty much useless.
i see your whole arguement... you want the rules changed, so you can try and set the record... very selfish man. if you spent as much time rebuilding instead of yapping meaninglessly on here, maybe you could do that 165... competition is about being competitive and doing your best, changing the rules is not very competitive, and it shows that you are also not trying to do your best, you are trying to forcing others to do worse... from your statements made, maybe dbdrag isn't the place for you... i heard meca is more economical... [/QB]
man I think youre completely off track here maybe Im not able to explain myself in english it's not easy to me.anyway : my situation is the opposite as u stated.I am in the condition of being the "rich" competitor of the example. Being, as the rules go out, I will just buy whatever is needed and whatever can take me louder.We're a 6 person team, money is not an issue.There's no way I can benefit from a rule change being I simply (as most other competitors, I think) go buy what will give me the most power according to the rules.
I tried to build up an example of what I do think is more fair, and could make people have the same power for less money.
Seems as I wrote in turkish, Im sorry but english is not my native language so I cant easily make me understood.
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so maybe get more people on your team? maybe buy half of the big amps this year and then the other half next year... rome wasn't built in a day... i have seen alot of people spend a crapload of money in the US, not all of them can afford it, i am sure some are still paying for equipment from 2 years ago. this sport isn't cheap... this is like having a baseball player saying this guy throws too hard, i want him to throw softer...
again who is going to benefit from this(you, you already said you would), who is going to exploit this rule(the leaders with duals right now will have more power) wow, you get the same outcome as right now. i don't mean to be an ass about this, but this is what all of it boils down to, people wanting rules changed to fit their agenda. i was against quads leaving last year, but everyone has had their car set up for duals now, why should everyone go out and spend more money because someone can't get loud enough to get a world record and refuses to spend the means to get there?
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Uzzio, you are totally off base here, and you obviously have problems with math. In your example, with dvc's there is a 4,000 watt gap, and with quads there is an 8,000 watt gap. How is an 8,000 watt gap fairer than a 4,000 watt gap? Other than of course you get to use for of your amps per sub instead of 2.
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I should say : READ UZZIO's POSTS SLOWER AND BETTER AGAIN !
He has a fact , and HE isnt saying this in his benefit , but dont misread his words ....
Well , he sayed bye ... i do also ... he explained his point , now hopes some judges and or Wayne reads it also , so opinions and toughts can be shared and tought over .
quote:Originally posted by TRENDSETTER: the matrix is a EXAMPLE to see what everyone thinks not set in stone!! and I wanna see a 165 db in ss 1/2 right now!!! and it is possible to do over a 160 with only 2 - 2000 d's as jarfunkz has stated BELIEVE me!!!
I know how to do it but I wanna see it done before I change anything else!
wayne said it was to stimulate discussion. Well here is one, I just think it would be more fair without conductor rules but if only 2 conductors will be allowed, Ill just make the tests with my 4 visoniks then switch to EXT3000s so I can use 8.
I thought this was all about discussing what's better but this childish "160 can be achieved with 2 2000 amps" came in by jarfunkz and it's not related to this topic, I couldnt care less of what can be achieved that is 5dB down the WR.
I just wanna know who is doing this 165db??? thats all!!
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HAHAHAHAHAHA, I think that everybody wants to know. I thought that one guy with the big a$$ orange Yota owned the World Record ^^^^^^^^^^^. Somebody must be really loud to beat his best score by a dB.
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LMAO jareed you kill me!
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quote:Originally posted by WillBSmoove: HAHAHAHAHAHA, I think that everybody wants to know. I thought that one guy with the big a$$ orange Yota owned the World Record ^^^^^^^^^^^. Somebody must be really loud to beat his best score by a dB.
But this year it's a little guy with a big orange YOTA!!!
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quote:Originally posted by WillBSmoove: HAHAHAHAHAHA, I think that everybody wants to know. I thought that one guy with the big a$$ orange Yota owned the World Record ^^^^^^^^^^^. Somebody must be really loud to beat his best score by a dB.
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