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I just read this from a site, granted you probably have seen this already, but what is the "real deal" Here. Was terry brocks and the rest of the folks right??
Hifonics Colossus Outlawed for Too Much Power
Maxxsonics USA, the auto-sound parent and manufacturer of Crunch and Hifonics mobile audio sound systems was saddened to learn that its Hifonics 3200-Watt RMS XX-Colossus was banned from the dB-Drag finals held in Kansas City and hereby launches a formal protest to that organization.
dB Drag announced less than 24-hours before commencement of the finals that the Hifonics XX-Colossus did not meet dB-Drag rules for amplifier design. Its competitors notified Maxxsonics of the organizations confused decision only after the final's event had taken place.
dB-drag took the advice of European dB-Drag judges, and branded competitors, alleging the Hifonics XX-Colossus was actually "two amplifiers" inside its heat sink, instead of one. The drama began with an email posted on dB-Drag's website forum, containing a portion of a personal Maxxsonics email response to a European end user with a DIY install question. The response contained a very brief and quick XX Colossus topography description, "It is two 1600-watt amplifier PCBs strapped inside". This statement was taken out of its context, and was a small excerpt from a series of emails, answering installation questions.
A factual note; in early 2004, third-party European engineers independently certified Maxxsonics XX-Colossus as a single-amplifier internally for "CE" and the stricter "E-Mark" certification. College-degreed engineers prepared this E-Mark certification. They correctly certified the XX Colossus to be a single amplifier internally. However, hearsay and self-serving factors set the rash dB-Drag decision into motion.
dB Drag did not attempt to speak with Hifonics prior to its 11th-hour decision and instead turned away an unknown (see partial list of competitors below) number of participants who had spent thousands of dollars competing, and justly winning other dB-Drag events, all during 2004 with the Hifonics XX-Colossus.
"The decision smells of politics and jealousy" said Ted Henricks, Maxxsonics' vice-president. It is also a shame the dB-Drag organization was pressured by "manufacturing judges and promoters" to make such a rash decision. The reality is, if you actually look at an XX-Colossus inside, you will see seven PCB boards, all completely different, and that it is, in fact, one amplifier. Using DB Drags' theory, you must accept that any four-channel or two-channel amplifier is a more than one amplifier inside. Hifonics has been developing high-powered amplifiers for over twenty-years and our engineering team spent over two-years in designing this product. Nobody called, nobody asked, dB-Drag just wanted to quickly satisfy some overly vocal and disgruntled dB-Drag participants who they knew they were going to loose," he added.
"We are sorry for their decision and also apologize to the people who have supported our products. We do not agree at all with dB-Drag but we hope that our competitors do not turn away from dB-Drag events due to dB-Drag's long-term commitment to the auto-sound industry. Conversely, we suggest that dB-Drag; if it is going to make engineering decisions, understand amplifier and subwoofer design with the assistance of a real electrical engineer. In addition, they better get it together because we know people will be rolling into the drag lanes in 2005 with our new 5-kilo-watt XX Goliath and 10-kilowatt XX Maxximus", stated Henricks.
Maxxsonics salutes the following dB-Drag contestants who were unfairly denied:
Eric Coulter Charles Estes Terry Jackson Eric Alexander Terry Brocks Alex Avila Bill Larkom Shawn Young
I am very curious now.
thanks for reading!
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That's some good stuff right there, and I'm glad it got posted, I just hope that someone doesn't delete it.
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quote:Originally posted by spluvs2install: "It is two 1600-watt amplifier PCBs strapped inside". This statement was taken out of its context
I like this.
The statement was taken out of context.
They are not denying it is two 1600W amps though, just that it was taken out of context.
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quote:Originally posted by spluvs2install: ....In addition, they better get it together because we know people will be rolling into the drag lanes in 2005 with our new 5-kilo-watt XX Goliath and 10-kilowatt XX Maxximus", stated Henricks.
-------------------- Get loud daily... not burping. From Finals 2005:
quote: It's World Finals. A certified event. A 4x scoring event. It's the "pinnacle" of the "sport".
If I showed up to Game 7 of the World Series and was found to have a Corked Bat in pre game warm-ups, what would happen to me? Even if I said that I 'didnt see it in the rulebook, my bad'.
From Finals 2004:
quote:Originally posted by dBSteve: Everybody in the top 8 in every class bent the rules.
quote:Originally posted by spluvs2install: "It is two 1600-watt amplifier PCBs strapped inside". This statement was taken out of its context
I like this.
The statement was taken out of context.
They are not denying it is two 1600W amps though, just that it was taken out of context.
Obviously they are denying it, otherwise they wouldn't have made the statement at all. Ever think of that?
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quote:Originally posted by spluvs2install: "It is two 1600-watt amplifier PCBs strapped inside". This statement was taken out of its context
I like this.
The statement was taken out of context.
They are not denying it is two 1600W amps though, just that it was taken out of context.
They are talking about exactly what you just did!! You must have missed this, right>>
quote:Originally posted by spluvs2install: A factual note; in early 2004, third-party European engineers independently certified Maxxsonics XX-Colossus as a single-amplifier internally for "CE" and the stricter "E-Mark" certification. College-degreed engineers prepared this E-Mark certification. They correctly certified the XX Colossus to be a single amplifier internally.
Your statement it uninformed, and just funny to me Mr. Bump!!
Eric
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quote:Originally posted by Mr Bump:
quote:Originally posted by spluvs2install: "It is two 1600-watt amplifier PCBs strapped inside". This statement was taken out of its context
I like this.
The statement was taken out of context.
They are not denying it is two 1600W amps though, just that it was taken out of context.
Obviously they are denying it, otherwise they wouldn't have made the statement at all. Ever think of that?
If I was denying something I would come out and catagoricly say I was denying it.
I would state it isnt two amplifiers in one case, not say it is two in one case!
I wouldnt say something I had said was taken out of context, its as good as admitting guilt without saying so.
That is an extremely badly written statement which will only make this matter roll on and on.
Theyve admitted its two amps, just modified, what more does it take.
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Quick question? Was hifinics or any of the Maxxsonics USA product line displayed in a booth at finals? I Can't remember the last time they where there? Or evan a manufacture member? http://www.termpro.com/asp/members1.asp?Who=4 Yet they sit back and seam to benafit from db drag. yet find no reason to put money back into db drag.
quote:Originally posted by spluvs2install: "It is two 1600-watt amplifier PCBs strapped inside". This statement was taken out of its context
I like this.
The statement was taken out of context.
They are not denying it is two 1600W amps though, just that it was taken out of context.
They are talking about exactly what you just did!! You must have missed this, right>>
quote:Originally posted by spluvs2install: A factual note; in early 2004, third-party European engineers independently certified Maxxsonics XX-Colossus as a single-amplifier internally for "CE" and the stricter "E-Mark" certification. College-degreed engineers prepared this E-Mark certification. They correctly certified the XX Colossus to be a single amplifier internally.
Your statement it uninformed, and just funny to me Mr. Bump!!
Eric
I didnt miss it, I read it all.
Now look at it this way.
The rules state amps built to circumvent the amp limitation rules will be ruled illegal or as multiple amps, correct?
Now theyve admitted there is two 1600W amps inside that one case.
Theyve also stated that it has been CE marked as one amp.
The people doing the CE marks obviously know all about dB Drag rules, of course they do, everyone does
Now to me, that CE mark means sh1te, because the manufacturers themselves have openly admitted its two amps.
How much clearer can it get?
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guys...they were trying to simplify it for an end customer...
It is BASICALLY the same as having 2 of the smaller amps...that is what they are saying! Not that it is two of the smaller amps...but it is similar to two of them...
I know that the first thing I asked Ted before I started buying them and pushing them to competitors was..."Is this two amplifiers in one case" and his responce was "NO it is not two amplifiers in one case!" He explained to me much the same way I am trying to convey here...
ps, Again, I am sorry to Bill, Eric and Eric for leading you guys to an amplifier that I thought was going to be ok for db drag! I guess my bro can be happy he couldn't afford them cause he almost had them too!
This topic should be erased as it isn't going to do db drag or hifonics any good for it to be here...Wayne, please take the time to call them and get this straightened out for next year...they have big potential for db drag support!
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